Is it selfish not to get a Flu Shot? - page 4

I've never gotten the flu shot, mainly because I've only had the flu once. On another BB at school (maybe she reads this bb too!) I was told that I may have gotten the virus, brushed it off... Read More

  1. by   dbsn00
    I get the flu EVERY year - it's usually right around Christmas & I'm down for the count for at least 7-10 days. When I started in LTC I got my first flu shot & was twice as sick as usual. Now I just make sure I have some sick days available & use them. If someone I'm working with is "dripping" & won't do the right thing by staying home we get the supervisior or DON to send them home - no bargaining, they'll give you at least 3 paid days off (you'd owe them the time back when you accrue it).
  2. by   DutchgirlRN
    No one can make you feel selfish unless you let them. You are not selfish. It's your body and you have the right to accept or reject a flu shot. I never got one until 4 years ago and now get one every year because I am getting older myself and I don't want to chance giving my elderly parents the flu.
    The poster who made the point about those who go to work sick are selfish, I totally agree. If I'm sick I stay home. They don't complain they don't want sick nurses at work.
  3. by   Dalzac
    The hospital I work requires you to get a flu shot I have worked there for 3 yrs and it was always mandatory. I would have gotten it any way ,My husband is immuno-suppressed(liver transplant) I would just die if I gave him the flu not to mention any patient.
  4. by   DutchgirlRN
    Quote from Tweety
    I've never gotten the flu shot, mainly because I've only had the flu once.

    On another BB at school (maybe she reads this bb too!) I was told that I may have gotten the virus, brushed it off without getting sick and infected other people without realizing it. Her arguement was if I didn't do it for myself think of my patients and coworkers and do it for them.

    Made me wonder how many people I might have infected all these years and am I selfish.

    Is there any documentation of this?

    I already acknowledge that the CDC recommends all health care providers get the flu shot. I didn't realize it was so we don't infect others and perhaps I should change my thinking.
    Don't know if you saw this or not but it reminded me of you! Just kidding! :kiss

    I shall seek and find you

    I shall take you to bed and have my way with you

    I will make you ache, shake and sweat until you moan and groan

    I will make you beg for mercy

    I will exhaust you to the point that you will be relieved when I am finished

    You will be weak for days

    All my love,
    The Flu
    Last edit by DutchgirlRN on Oct 22, '05
  5. by   EinnOgTveir
    Slightly off topic but dont you guys get sick leave? :uhoh21:
    I noticed several times people writing about having to take vacation days for being ill or being without pay.
  6. by   Tweety
    Quote from EinnOgTveir
    Slightly off topic but dont you guys get sick leave? :uhoh21:
    I noticed several times people writing about having to take vacation days for being ill or being without pay.

    The trend in many areas is "personal days off" (PDO). For example, I get 30 days off a year for vacation/sick time. So far that seems to be plenty of time and I've stacked up extra time over the years, so I have plenty of time to be sick.

    Newer people, without much time may have to think to themselves "if I call in sick today, it takes away from my vacation time I want next month".
  7. by   TweetiePieRN
    Quote from Tweety
    The trend in many areas is "personal days off" (PDO). For example, I get 30 days off a year for vacation/sick time. So far that seems to be plenty of time and I've stacked up extra time over the years, so I have plenty of time to be sick.

    Newer people, without much time may have to think to themselves "if I call in sick today, it takes away from my vacation time I want next month".
    It's the same way here. We call it PTO (Paid Time Off). It is like that! Alot of people don't like calling in sick because it does take away days from your "vacation days".
  8. by   sdre
    Have you ever heard of Typhoid Mary???
    Indeed you may not get sick BUT you could be carrying the bug to work to your vulnerable patients.
    So stick out that arm and protect yourself and others
  9. by   Tweety
    Quote from sdre
    Have you ever heard of Typhoid Mary???
    Indeed you may not get sick BUT you could be carrying the bug to work to your vulnerable patients.
    So stick out that arm and protect yourself and others

    I'd like some documentation on that. Do you have a source that there is such a thing as a carrier. That's what I'm worried about it, but I'm not sure if it's a myth or not.

    It's worrisome that there are well people walking around spreading the flu. It would be a hard thing to research though, but I gather is you're posting on a nurses board, you have some facts??
  10. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    We face a rather challenging conundrum here in the great white north. Our health authority came out with an edict that all staff who do not receive a flu shot will be sent home without pay should there be an outbreak in our unit, to remain there without pay until such time as a) they've had their flu shot and two weeks have passed, or b) until such time as the outbreak is over. For those who have had their flu shots who are still within the two-week immunity developing period when such an outbreak occurs, they will be sent home on vacation. Since we have sick leave very well defined in our contract, I'm not sure how they can force poeple to take vacation time due to a health related issue... And are they telling us that the N95 high-efficiency masks they make us wear aren't going to protect our patients (OR US!!!!) from airborne disease? For this I'm risking hypoxia, CO2 narcosis and pressure injuries to the bridge and tip of my nose, cheekbones and chin?

    At any rate, the regional attendance program is not really structured to encourage sick staff to stay home. If one calls in sick and there isn't a manager available to speak to at that time, the next manager to work will be calling the sick party to ask what's wrong with them, just how sick are they, and when do they think they'll be able to come back. Then if a person calls in sick more than five separate times (incidences) in a year, or has a total of more than eleven sick days in fewer than five incidences, they get a letter from OHS&W requiring them to meet with management and OHS&W to discuss the excessive sick time, and discuss means of improving the employee's health to preclude such incidences in the future. This letter goes on the person's employment file as well. In some cases management has browbeaten people into giving them access to the mdical chart, which is guaranteed to be a Bad Thing. Hello people!!! We're halth care workers... we work with all manner of nasty pathogens and we are only human. We are going to get sick. Never mind the musculoskeletal injuries from inadequate staffing and poor planning...

    Personally, as the parent of a liver transplant recipient, I automatically get my flu shot every year. In more than ten years of nursing, eight of them in PICU, I've never brought home anything and plan to keep it that way.
  11. by   pricklypear
    Quote from Tweety
    I'd like some documentation on that. Do you have a source that there is such a thing as a carrier. That's what I'm worried about it, but I'm not sure if it's a myth or not.

    It's worrisome that there are well people walking around spreading the flu. It would be a hard thing to research though, but I gather is you're posting on a nurses board, you have some facts??
    Tweety, I don't have a source, but I seriously do not think you can "carry" the flu and not be symptomatic. I don't think it would be difficult to research, after all, there are specific diseases capable of being carried by an unaffected person, and some not. Like other posters have mentioned, you could have mild symptoms, and not realize you really have influenza, or infect someone else before you become symptomatic. I think it's a myth. It's been a few years since micro, but I'll try to look it up later. Tired now, long night.

    And I actually think Typhoid Mary was something of anomaly. (Vaguely remembering a show I saw about her once)
  12. by   StayHomeMom
    Tha only selfish thing in my opinion is going to work or any public place and spreading the flu to others. To get it or not to get it is purely a personal decision. I was born in Asia and God only knows the multitudes of illnesses including all strains of flu I have seen in my growing years that makes all the infectious illnesses we in these country get scared of a walk in the park. I have yet to get my first flu shot. What I do for the most part all throughout the year is do my very best to proactively build my immune system so I can ward off or reduce the severity of the illness if it does come. Anyone, try AIRBORNE or Zycam the first sign of flu or cold? I saw it in a Disney forum.
  13. by   lsyorke
    Quote from janfrn
    We face a rather challenging conundrum here in the great white north. Our health authority came out with an edict that all staff who do not receive a flu shot will be sent home without pay should there be an outbreak in our unit, to remain there without pay until such time as a) they've had their flu shot and two weeks have passed, or b) until such time as the outbreak is over. For those who have had their flu shots who are still within the two-week immunity developing period when such an outbreak occurs, they will be sent home on vacation.
    That would be a facility that I would be running from. I believe that's called blackmail!!

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