Instructor reamed me even though nurse said I did right thing..what do you think?

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This is LONG because I want to give a backstory on my patient so maybe you can see my thought process. :redbeathe

I'm a second semester nursing student on a cardiac tele/step down floor (depends on who you ask :rolleyes: ). One of my patients today was transferred up from the CCU last night. Her history-admitted for NSTEMI, also, HTN, high cholesterol, renal insufficency, and had had a stent placed in her LAD two days prior. She had a hep drip going, her 9 am meds were Plavix, aspirin, acetylcystine and metoprolol.

During AM shift report, the patients nurse and I were getting report from the night nurse. The patient's granddaughter came out and said her grandmother couldn't breathe. I followed the nurses in the room. They asked her if she was anxious. The pt said yes, so they got her some Ativan. you could her the patients wheezing across the room and she was obviosly having problems breathing. Anyway, i finish getting report. I had three patients, she was my first stop to assess because, well, she couldnt breathe!

I heard crackles in her both lower lobes and rml. She aslo had wheezing in her upper. She had thready pulse in all 4 extremties, her 02 sats stayed around 93%, her RR was 18, 90 HR, 112/75. She had a cannula on with 3L of 02 going. She complained she was still a little SOB, but besides that she was "feeling better" By that time her daughter had arrived and said "she must have been anxious, the ativan is helping"

30 min or so later, The CNA ask me to help her off the bedpan. Well lo and behold, there are giant clots of frank blood in her stool. besides the obvious black tarry GI bleed stool, I have never seen that much stool. Her doctor happened to be outside her room, so I told him that the patient has bloody stool. he asked if it was a lot, I told him i thought so. He looked at it himself and said "thats not a lot, but thanks for telling me." :confused: I thought it was a lot...but I also dont have anything to compare it to. The pts vitals were fine at this point, still a little SOB, but her 02 sats were fine and the wheezing had diminished, so I decided to just chcek on her often.

ANYWAY, i go to give her 9 am meds about 20 minutes after the bedpan, her BP was 118/78, her HR was 92. In the 15 minutes I was in there, she deteriorated. I made sure her cannula was on, not kinked, and in her nose, and raised the HOB up. She drank her aceytalcystine, took her oral meds, and the whole time kept complaing of SOB. her wheezing started back up again. then she broke out in tears because she was distraught that she couldnt breathe and she didn't know what was wrong with her. so I left to go get a pulse ox monitor. I was gone all of 1.5 minutes. I put it on her finger and it was 78%. :eek: I waited about 10 seconds to see if it would go up, and it got to 80%. No bueno. So i went and got the nurse. the nurse upped her 02 to 5L, raised the HOB higher than I had it and asked me to retake her bp and we moved her up in bed. The 02 sat got up to 90%, I asked the nurse if it was ok for me to leave since I was gonna be late with my other pts meds. So my nurse stayed and helped the pt.

So 15 minutes later I'm updating my insturctor that pt. She asked if I listened to her lung sounds and counted her respirations after i took her pulse ox. HER O2 SATS were 80%!!! I wasn't going to stand there and count her RR and listen to her lung sounds when the pt looks like death and the pts daughter asks me to get the RN!! My instructor got all melodramatic and used words like "abandonment" and putting your patient in danger. :crying2: I'm a second SEMESTER nursing student taking care of a pt who should have never left the CCU to begin with, I am freaking out because I've never had a pt detiorate so rapidly. My main concern was my patient getting oxygen, so I went and got the more expirenced nurse. ***** Please keep in mind, it takes me 2-3 times as long to get RR and lung sounds because I'm a 'nurse-ling'. you guys might have been able to do it in 30 sec, but it would have taken me 2 minutes.

Well while my instuctor is ripping me a new one, the nurse and doc and charge walk by and apparently my patient is going back down to CCU r/t pulmonary edema. My instructor GLARES at me and says, "see, now she's going down to CCU" Again, ***!!!!! NOT my fault she had a new onset GI bleed that the doc wasn't worried about, and me listening to her lung sounds and taking her RR wouldn't have prevented her from having to be sent down there. Right?

Anyway, when the smoke had cleared, I asked the nurse. She said she was glad I came and got her because the patient had deteriorated so rapidly.

So, LONG STORY short...(not really lol), should I have stood there and taken her RR and listened to lung sounds, or was I right to get the nurse? My instructor made it clear to to listen to lung sounds and get RR . And even othough she is technically right, when you can hear the pt wheezing across the room and you can see that the RR is rapid and labored, and when you pt is going to sh*t, should I really take the time to that? :confused::confused::confused::confused::crying2::crying2:

*p.s. i'm still learning, so any CONSTRUCTIVE :D criticism is welcome"

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.
this drug may also be taken by mouth to prevent kidney damage due to dyes from certain x-ray procedures.

my patient also had renal insufficiency, so the dr prescribed this to get the contrats out of her body faster. they get it fot three days after their procedure. :)

i didn't know this, not sure if it's licensed for this use in the uk but i've learnt something new today.

thanks

Specializes in CVICU.
I'm just curious, can aceytalcystine be given orally? I always gave this medicine via neublizer. It must be really terrible tasting.
Because I work in a cardiac unit, we give mucomyst frequently to patients who get contrast dye for caths or any other reason. Yes, it smells and tastes horrendous. I usually mix it with a little orange juice to make it more palatable.

Our po mucomyst comes in an oral syringe. I usually give it with an ounce or two of diet sprite. Very important: submerge the opening of the syringe in the sprite BEFORE you start to squirt it out. If you do, you contain the smell, and so it doesn't taste quite so bad for the poor patient whose lot in life it is to have to consume such nastiness.

I believe the instructor comes first before the nurse. At this point in time, the instructor is in charge of you.

If anything happens, the school gets sued and she would have been responsible for allowing it happen.

The nurse may console you all she wants but remember, she already has her license, you are yet to get yours.And who is to say, she would have praised you if the roles were reversed?

Don't get taken in..follow your instructor and try your possible best to get along with her or failing that, stay as much out of her way as you can.

Specializes in pulm/cardiology pcu, surgical onc.
I believe the instructor comes first before the nurse. At this point in time, the instructor is in charge of you.

If anything happens, the school gets sued and she would have been responsible for allowing it happen.

The nurse may console you all she wants but remember, she already has her license, you are yet to get yours.And who is to say, she would have praised you if the roles were reversed?

Don't get taken in..follow your instructor and try your possible best to get along with her or failing that, stay as much out of her way as you can.

IMHO patient safety comes first. I could give a rats ass if the school gets sued, who do you think they'll point the finger to if that pt would have coded so the student could have listened to lung sounds and counted resps?

To the OP, you handled the situation to the best of your ability and people will always tell you something different. Whether it be an instructor, a preceptor, or a poster on a nursing forum just know sometimes there is no right answer or way to do things. Good luck you're doing awesome!

Specializes in CTICU.
what if the pt needed roxanol, a liquid used to relieve some resp distress?:uhoh3:

Really? Why are you so confrontational? What if they did need roxanol? Give it if ordered. Giving a sublingual medication is not giving a patient "something to drink".. if you don't know that, you need to get back to the studying. The OP asked for constructive feedback about how to handle similar situations, which is what I was providing. You, on the other hand, seem to be in the thread to question things other posters contribute.

Specializes in Trauma/Burn ICU, Neuro ICU.
the op asked a community of nurses for a 3rd party situation analysis of a clinical situation. the op asked for constructive opinions... she mentioned the patient had a heparin drip and active bleeding... while i cant speak for nerd2nurse i will say that even as a second semester student there should be some sort of connection between these two facts even if the correlation between ptt and titration/protocol is well beyond the scope and current educational level.

i am surprised by many comments in this thread that are just supportive pats on the back while they make the op feel better i dont see how they are useful in the longterm. if the op just wanted moral support then please put it in your post so that others that will spend time explaining clinical things can find another post.

we are quick to judge the instructor and blame it on "eating younger nurses" but fail to recognize that the op was reportedly upset and interpreting the situation as such in her view. there are 3 sides to every story yours, mine and reality.

op did nothing wrong however did appear to need some assistance determining clinically what could have been done differently or additionally because it was not outlined in the clinical description. nothing that i have read has been anything but supportive from the other posters. i think it is responses like yours that keep clinically intelligent dialogue (which everyone benefits from) from occuring. its too bad.

to oncrnpa: i loved your post for just this reason. i am a new nurse in an icu, and did not have preceptors who were able to communicate as you do - that's why i come to this message board. please remember that hundreds or more nurses are reading this, and we all have benefited from your knowledge and experience. what a great piece of advice you gave: separate out the blame stuff, and concentrate on the pt and what is going on there. a good reminder for all of us that are new and still thin-skinned. thank you for a great post.

Specializes in Hospice, ONC, Tele, Med Surg, Endo/Output.
Your instructor is an idiot and a lunatic. Treat her as you would a patient with severe dementia or extreme intoxication and just agree with everything she says. "Oh, listening to lung sounds and counting resps would have been an essential bit of information that I would need before determing that this patient was circling the drain? You mean I couldn't tell the patient was going downhill just by the critically low sat and the look of death on her face? Oh, thank you, Herr Instructor, for educating me. I am so lucky to be your student. Every day I wake up and thank the good Lord for giving me a teacher as wonderful as you."

You did everything right. Don't worry about it. It was actually a good learning experience to see how fast a patient can go bad. Though next time I would suggest you stay with the patient until handoff to ICU. You'll pass meds every day of your clinicals. You need exposure to critical situations like this one before you're on your own with one.

my oh my, fungez!

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