I had some trouble with a CNA...should I talk to the manager? - page 2

At the hospital I work at, everyone on the nursing staff is on probation for the first 90 days of employment. Then, there are peer evaluations done by the RNs. If the employee shows that they work... Read More

  1. by   nursey_girl
    I'm agreeing with these previous statements. I think you hurt her feelings, and I'm doubting she realized how hard she punched you, be it playful of not. It was not acceptable behavior, but neither is being hurtful.
    I also have a sore shoulder. I'm all the time getting poked or punched, all in good fun. I doubt anyone even realizes they do it, but I do more so because it's so tender...Could it be that this jab was made out to be more than it actually was because you're more sensitive there?
  2. by   Jo Dirt
    Sounds like she may have a problem with impulse control, definitely not a trait conducive to working well with patients.
    Your comment was sassy and tacky but she had absolutely no right to touch you.
    Rat her out now.
  3. by   Jo Dirt
    And...*why* did you say that to her? That wasn't cute or even funny, it was downright cruel and mean spirited. While I believe you should report her I also think you should take some lessons in common courtesy. What you said was totally out of line.
  4. by   DYatesRN
    Your comment to her was very immature and was not a good example to be setting...this however does not give ANYONE the right to hit someone else. I would report it. I think if I were you I would refrain from such sarcasm in the future.
  5. by   HeartsOpenWide
    If I was the CNA and you said that, I would probably be hurt and think not very nice thoughts about your character (saying your joking does not take the sting away or make the snide comment OK. I would probably watch you to see if you were just the joker type or the type that says mean things and then says 'just kidding!' to get away with it. I have had obese people call me a skinny b-word and then say just kidding...doen't make it ok...). But try to get over it quick because you gotta have thick skin right? However, I would not hit you, thats a little scary...what if you really said something mean? Would she have punched your lights out?
    Last edit by HeartsOpenWide on Oct 20, '05
  6. by   onehusbandsevenkids
    What you said was really mean and hurtful even if you believe you were joking....people are sarcastic all of the time and use being sarcastic as an excuse for mean or bullying behavior.
    Passive-agressive stuff.
    Stories like this make me fear the cattiness of working with nurses.
    JMHO. Hitting you was wrong....hmmm....maybe she was just being sarcastic....it was a sarcastic hit....yeah, that's right...
    Sorry, this really makes me angry...can't stand bully stuff - no tolerance for it.

    Perhaps she should report you.

    I think you should look at your actions and I think you should approach her kindly and settle it between yourselves.
    Last edit by onehusbandsevenkids on Oct 20, '05
  7. by   GPatty
    Quote from Chad_KY_SRNA
    Had I been the CNA, depending on what type of night I was having and my mood at the time, a comment such as the one you made, even if I knew it was sarcastic whit, would have really hurt my feelings and made me feel very unwanted. I am goofy like that but I have always been that way. I don't know that I would have hit you but I would have been PO'd for a couple of days. I am a perfect example that some people can't take a joke. It may seem silly and harmless to you but as a new person on the unit she probably would love to feel accepted, welcomed, and liked. Its hard to make friends in a new place. Being lonely sucks! I would talk to her as a grown mature adult and explain to her that I was only joking and ask her to please not hit me again, and tell her that of course she was invited to any future "parties". She sounded sorry for hitting your sore shoulder and as long as she does a good job, I would not report it to anyone.
    I agree with the above.
  8. by   Brotherbob
    Punches in the back hurts, and so do sarcasm.

    Maybe call it even??
  9. by   chris_at_lucas_RN
    Quote from Brotherbob
    Punches in the back hurts, and so do sarcasm.

    Maybe call it even??
    Hardly.

    On a professional note, what's to say she'd have appropriate self control when a patient mouths off to her.

    She should have been trying especially hard to get along, since she already knew she had 45 days to shape up.

    The only way this makes sense is she is trying to get fired so she gets unemployment. Someone who wants to keep her job and do a good job doesn't go around hitting people because she didn't go to a party on a unit she wasn't even assigned to.

    Even? You're kidding, right?
    Last edit by chris_at_lucas_RN on Oct 20, '05
  10. by   AggieNurse2B
    My two cents: Apologize to one another, and leave your manager out of it. I think the whole thing is kind of petty, and that the both of you acted inappropriately. I'm a manager (not in a medical field, but a manager nonetheless), and I'd probably have to write you BOTH up. That's another thing you should consider. You could get written up, as well, for your part in the exchange.

    I do also think that it's important for the two of you to have a pow-wow about it and get everything ironed out. Who wants to work in a place where there is adversity amongst the staff???

    And, YES, I think they're even.
  11. by   Brotherbob
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    Even? You're kidding, right?
    If I did not watch my mouth and this happened to me I´d call it even. Hitting someone is not acceptable but I would not report it. I would however have a talk with the person. Communication is a much better way to solve the problem.

    I have worked at sea and can´t imagine myself telling the officer somebody punched my back when I was rude!!! Unless the punch sent me flying over a table or something.
    Last edit by Brotherbob on Oct 20, '05
  12. by   onehusbandsevenkids
    Quote from chris_at_lucas_RN
    Hardly.

    On a professional note, what's to say she'd have appropriate self control when a patient mouths off to her.

    She should have been trying especially hard to get along, since she already knew she had 45 days to shape up.

    The only way this makes sense is she is trying to get fired so she gets unemployment. Someone who wants to keep her job and do a good job doesn't go around hitting people because she didn't go to a party on a unit she wasn't even assigned to.

    Even? You're kidding, right?

    YOU'RE kidding, right? My gosh...you must never have been the target of cruelty and/or bullying.
    It wasn't because she didn't go to a party, it was because of the OP's original nasty and hurtful and embarassing remark.
    Your unemployment theory is interesting though.....sheesh....

    NOT that I condone people hitting people, but come on, they were both wrong here.

    On a professional note...who's to say the OP won't pratice appropriate self-control and won't mouth off to a patient under the guise of sarcasm?
    They should both be written up if that's to happen, not one or the other.
    Last edit by onehusbandsevenkids on Oct 20, '05
  13. by   gr8rnpjt
    [QUOTE=onehusbandsevenkids]

    I am surprised at how many posters are equating verbal assaults with physical assaults. Although I know sarcastic nurses like that and I absolutely hated working with people like this, I would never think of crossing the line between verbal assaults and physical assaults.

    However, if the OP was known for her verbal assaults and if she had made those type of sarcastic comments to me I would have taken great satisfaction witnessing the punch.

    But I do agree with the posters who think the CNA should be reported. Its not like she is losing a big money job or can't get another CNA job and maybe if she lost her job then she would learn not to cross that line again.


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