How do you deal with anti-OB people? - page 4

I'm half-way to obtaining my ADN and have recently discovered that there are people out there who are not only anti-OB/GYN but are against any medical interventions at all during pregnancy. I talked... Read More

  1. by   tntrn
    Quote from geekgolightly
    I thinkl I was unclear? I said that it appears that the nurses I shadowed and the ones I labored under were wanting me to get an epidural, were happy when someone formula fed because it was less work (PP). Was I unclear? I was writing fast before I left the house....
    Sorry. Although I read your post several times before I responded, I still had it twisted. It is a bit more work (and infinitely more rewarding, too, IMHO) to have a natural labor patient. Maybe that's because natural labors are the way I started nearly 30 years ago. Dunno! The work we do with epidurals and pitocin is a lot of busy work and a whole lot of putting numbers on the papers.

    I'm sorry that some nurses would prefer to have less work, if that means a patient is pressured into having an epidural when she may need and want that extra encouragement to go natural.

    As far as breast vs bottle-feeding, I don't feel that either choice should result in the patients (mom and baby) getting different amounts of attention or care. I try to give my bottle-feeding moms just as much support as the breast-feeders. Sometimes they get more if I find out they've gotten the message somewhere that they are bad moms for the choice they have made.
  2. by   suzi_h
    Quote from tntrn
    Sorry. Although I read your post several times before I responded, I still had it twisted. It is a bit more work (and infinitely more rewarding, too, IMHO) to have a natural labor patient. Maybe that's because natural labors are the way I started nearly 30 years ago. Dunno! The work we do with epidurals and pitocin is a lot of busy work and a whole lot of putting numbers on the paper
    Ahhhh... I delivered all of mine natural and after each one, I gave a huge sigh, asked for food, and apologized for being such a whine a$$. The nurses always laughed and thanked me for making it a good time, EVERY time. Now I know why.

    Suzi
  3. by   geekgolightly
    Quote from fergus51
    I'm not retracting my 99%. I truly believe there are about 1% of people who are truly extreme. They either want everyone in birkenstocks squatting in a forest to deliver while chanting to the fertility goddess, or they want them all anesthetized at around 8 months pregnant to give em a section. Everyone else is somewhere on the spectrum in between those extremes.
    lol!

    I find it very odd that the lc wasn't more supportive. Most of the LCs I know are completely dedicated to breastfeeding, often to the point that they bother their patients. Why wouldn't the nursery nurses let you breastfeed? I don't like well baby nurseries period, they are bad for breastfeeding and teaching.
    me too. i think she was burnt out honestly and knew i was determined so didn;t do much for me. i was a nurse and so she thought i was ok on my own, im assuming. i needed her badly though. i couldnt think straight.

    nursery wouldnt let me breastfeed because he was 5 lbs 6 oz... he was healthy though. little jaundiced but never needed any oxygen excepting the first night. he was a mag baby. the whole experience was horrifying. i felt so alone and scared.
  4. by   Antikigirl
    Oh man..what a story I have!

    I was working in a church as a Sunday School Teacher when I chose to go into nursing. I chose nursing because of the birth of my child...slightly complicated birth, but no problems. But since I seemed to know so much, the other nurses made me promice to be a nurse....I did!

    Well, I chose to get into OB/GYN at first! But OMGoodness..things got odd when I told that Church! They started accusing me of being a witch, wanting to put..get this "marajuana balm" to solve diaper rash! Where in the heck would that come from??? They thought that I may use naturalpathic meds to solve croop...stuff like that...I was beyond stunned!!!!!

    Now this is a church, liberal Christian one, that is in the middle of a Portland, Oregon suberbia...not somewhere I would think would have this type of attitude! They told me in no uncertain terms I was to attend parenting classes or be fired!

    Needless to say..I left!

    But things have a tendency to come back full circle! I have treated a good majority of those peoples children and the adults themselves...not with pot balm...LOL! Got them eating crow feathers and all! And did I gloat...naaaaaa...I just said "see, I guess God has a purpose for people after all..." with a gentle smile on my face .

    I agree...information must be given for people to understand anything in medicine...but OMGosh...that whole pot balm and parenting classes really took the cake (or brownies..LOL!) so to speak!
  5. by   HappyNurse2005
    I have not only lost my moderator status, but been basically named a "troll" for not backing down from that stance that it is no one's business how a woman opts to deliver her child (we should respect any birth plan that a mom-to-be has made and not degrade her for opting for an epidural or trusting that her OB knows best). And that no one but a MD should give out medical advice to pregnant women.
    I quoted this from your original post, and bolded my parts I wanted to mention.

    You say we should respect any birth plan a mom has made? What about the birth plan that involves a woman birthing at home, w/ no epidural, and a midwife, not a doctor? You certainly aren't respecting them by calling them "nature nazi's" are you? Does it only deserve respect if they agree with you?

    second bolded point-no one but an MD should give advice to a pregnant woman?
    Thats funny. And you want to be a LDRP nurse? What do you think is involved in your job? Giving advice. Tell all those OB nurses out there they shouldn't be giving out advice to their patients, since they aren't MD's, you know.
    And really, what about midwives? They aren't MD's, so they aren't "allowed" to give out advice to pregnant women?

    I think you really need to reexamine your views.
    Doctors are not hte only ones who are qualified to give advice.
    And ALL birth plans, even the "nature nazi" ones need to be respected.
  6. by   fergus51
    Quote from geekgolightly
    lol!



    me too. i think she was burnt out honestly and knew i was determined so didn;t do much for me. i was a nurse and so she thought i was ok on my own, im assuming. i needed her badly though. i couldnt think straight.

    nursery wouldnt let me breastfeed because he was 5 lbs 6 oz... he was healthy though. little jaundiced but never needed any oxygen excepting the first night. he was a mag baby. the whole experience was horrifying. i felt so alone and scared.
    That's a real shame. Being that weight is no reason to not breastfeed. I can understand them not having him breastfeed if he was respiratorily unstable, but after that we toss everybody on the breast. I hate the outdated policies in some hospital. A kid that weight with no problems doesn't even need to be in a nursery at all. I freely call myself a couplet care nazi. I think routine newborn nursery use is detrimental.
  7. by   ali_gator
    When I have a child, barring any complications, I plan to use a CNM. I'm not a "nature nazi," I just don't want any unnecessary medical procedures. I think that every woman should fully explore her options when having a baby, and make an informed decision about what best suits her. Every woman is different. I don't think most CNMs are "nature nazis." They just offer another choice for low-risk women. I'm sure if I use a CNM I'll have to "deal with" people pushing their opinions on me, too!
  8. by   ParasMom
    Quote from ceg
    the illustration i was given in doula training (yep...i'm one of those) is to ask your client to show your where on the spectrum she is with one extreme being an epidural in her eighth month of pregnancy and the other being an unmedicated c-section (both impossible, i get that part). whatever her answer is supporting her is your job, regardless of your own beliefs.
    imo, that is the way that it should be. but, as with everything else, this is not always the case. i am dealing with one doula in particular who has gone on a message board to rant about her client who had a c-section. she -- and some of her nn cronies -- have blasted a concerned mom-to-be because she is contemplating an epidural. they compare using formula to giving your child a ciagrette and have said that any medicated birth is "abnormal."

    support is one thing, but pushing your beliefs and trying to make a woman have a birth that you want her to have is quite another.

    i would love to take doula classes, but i don't think that i could deal with the nazism that seems to surround many of the women with which i'd be studying.
  9. by   ali_gator
    Also, Parasmom, I don't think a CNM is any more likely to stretch the truth than other providers. Every CNM I have met has been extremely professional. Most deliver in hospitals, so I their patients are quite safe.
  10. by   ParasMom
    Quote from fergus51
    I don't think she's trying to "force someone to see it her way", I think she's just talking about giving truthful information to counteract outright lies. A patient who has been lied to by a nature nazi or an interventionist is not making informed decisions and it's our job to make sure that they do.
    That's it. I am a patient advocate 100%. If a woman brings in a birth plan that says that she is opting for a non-medicated birth, then I will respect that. If she shows interest in pain management, but I will respect that, too.

    I am having a problem with certain people who are telling pregnant women horror stories about epidurals and other pain medications, birthing in a hospital, vaccinating their children, and how the medical community only cares about how much money that they can get from a patient. It drives me insane to hear that some expectant mom has been told that in order for her birth to be normal, that she has to do it without any intervention or that epidurals harm your child.
  11. by   ParasMom
    Quote from fergus51
    II do have problems with lay-people giving out FALSE information, which they do all the time. I can't tell you the number of crazy obviously wrong stories I've heard from "doctors will force you to have a c-section so they can go play golf" to "my 23 week baby was born at 5 lbs".

    ...

    They come in thinking that the nurses/docs/CNMs want to strap them to the bed, hook them up to a monitor, drug them, remove the baby surgically and wisk it away to the nursery so they can sneek it some formula to sabotage breastfeeding. That's what annoys the &^$* out of me. The vast majority of nurses and docs I have worked with in L&D support the patient in their wishes.
    That summed up my entire post! Thank you so much ... you said it better than I did ... and in a much shorter form. Thank you again!
  12. by   ParasMom
    Quote from HappyNurse2005
    I quoted this from your original post, and bolded my parts I wanted to mention.

    You say we should respect any birth plan a mom has made? What about the birth plan that involves a woman birthing at home, w/ no epidural, and a midwife, not a doctor? You certainly aren't respecting them by calling them "nature nazi's" are you? Does it only deserve respect if they agree with you?

    second bolded point-no one but an MD should give advice to a pregnant woman? Thats funny. And you want to be a LDRP nurse? What do you think is involved in your job? Giving advice. Tell all those OB nurses out there they shouldn't be giving out advice to their patients, since they aren't MD's, you know. And really, what about midwives? They aren't MD's, so they aren't "allowed" to give out advice to pregnant women?

    I think you really need to reexamine your views.
    Doctors are not hte only ones who are qualified to give advice.
    And ALL birth plans, even the "nature nazi" ones need to be respected.
    Point 1 --> I didn't coin "nature nazis" as it came from my OB/GYN and I used it for lack of a better phrase. I respect any birth plan that a woman makes -- be it at home or in a hospital. My problem is with those women who want to scare other women into delivering they way that THEY want them to. Telling them that their kid will be harmed if they use pain meds, that they will be paralyzed with monster headaches if they get an epidural, that if they have any medical interventions then the birth is "abnormal", etc. That kind of thing is what's bothering me.

    Point 2 --> None of the women about whom I'm talking are doctors or nurses. They are mostly a bunch of lay people with no medical background doling out misinformation to pregnant women. There is one doula that I am including in this group who will pass out a medical diagnosis at the drop of a hat. I should have included nurses in my original statement, I correct that mistake. I just try to make a habit of telling any pregnant women who faces these horror stories to talk to her doctor -- that her doctor will tell her what is factual and what is mere myth intended to impose a certain way of thinking.
  13. by   ParasMom
    Quote from ali_gator
    Also, Parasmom, I don't think a CNM is any more likely to stretch the truth than other providers. Every CNM I have met has been extremely professional. Most deliver in hospitals, so I their patients are quite safe.
    I have no qualms with midwives. A midwife delivered my birth child in 1999 (a completely "natural" birth since it was done in under 6 hours ... no one thougth that I would progress that quickly, but I did and the NMV delivered the baby after checking me when I said, "The baby is coming NOW!")

    Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I am referring to lay people and doulas on a mission in this post ... about those who are so gung-ho to remove birth from the hospital that they forget that some women do want to deliver with a doctor and nurse(s) by their side and some pain medication either via IV or epidural.

    When I go for my BSN (which I plan to do once I have my RN license) I hope to take some MW courses just so that I have that much more information under my belt. (My husband says that I am addicted to classrooms... )

    Thanks for all of the advice. I never meant to insult anyone with the nature nazi title. I used it, as I said a few moments ago in another post, for lack of a better phrase to describe those that are so fanatical about their approach to helping pregnant women that they will give out false or biased information.

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