how do we change nurses opinions on male nurses? - page 4

i guess this kinda goes along with my other post. I our discussion the topic came up that some older nurses do not seem to believe males should or can be nurses. especially in the ob areas. how could... Read More

  1. by   n8isgr8
    I khink Male nurses are incredibly sexy!
  2. by   jnette
    Nurses ROCK .... male or female !
  3. by   passing thru
    I think it will just take time.

    Men have "ganged up" on women and gave females a very difficult time when women tried to break into previously all male occupations.

    When the laws changed in the 60's and females were allowed in careers that had previously been all male.

    The postal service....was tough. So was construction and law.

    I'm sure there's others.

    Men just have to show they care and can do the job and want to be team members. It isn't inherent that men are "nurturer's"

    There are reasons why nursing/nurturing was a female job for so long.

    It isn't the call to nurse sick people that is drawing men into the occupation. It is the $$$$.

    The $$$ has FINALLY gotten high enough to attract men's attention..... and,

    it beats iron working, roofing, road building, bridge building, house/ skyscraper building.

    Better than trucking down a river on a barge in 20 degree weather,
    or climbing an oil rig,

    sitting on a tractor plowing twelve hours a day - - in the hot sun,...

    beats lumber jacking,
    beats working in oil refineries and chemical plants...

    beats the stress of an assembly line..,

    Nursing is a grand job compared to what most American men do.
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    This thread is a year old and still VERY appropos today. But my question is:

    Where in the world IS MARK?????

    we miss ya on the OB threads, buddy.
  5. by   efy2178
    Interesting that so many people express discontent with male nurses. I think this is just that opressed group behaviour thing at work again. I would take a good male RN anyday.
    I find that males who want to work in nursing are becoming paramedics--more masculine and then they get to work in the cath lab (legal in my state). I take issue with this since they are not adequately prepared to fulfill a nursing role. The male nurses do a much better job than the paramedics. Just my opinion but I don't think paramedics have any place in a cath lab or working on the floors--possible exception is the ER.
    One thing that might help this discrimination: It is a fact that when there are more males in a profession, the average income for all goes up. Similarly, the more females in a profession, the more the average income goes down (this is what is happening in pharmacy--a nursing PhD had shown this). We should encourage men in our profession. I certainly do!
    Last edit by efy2178 on Dec 2, '03
  6. by   CCU NRS
    Originally posted by passing thru
    I think it will just take time.

    Men have "ganged up" on women and gave females a very difficult time when women tried to break into previously all male occupations.

    When the laws changed in the 60's and females were allowed in careers that had previously been all male.

    The postal service....was tough. So was construction and law.

    I'm sure there's others.

    Men just have to show they care and can do the job and want to be team members. It isn't inherent that men are "nurturer's"

    There are reasons why nursing/nurturing was a female job for so long.

    It isn't the call to nurse sick people that is drawing men into the occupation. It is the $$$$.

    The $$$ has FINALLY gotten high enough to attract men's attention..... and,

    it beats iron working, roofing, road building, bridge building, house/ skyscraper building.

    Better than trucking down a river on a barge in 20 degree weather,
    or climbing an oil rig,

    sitting on a tractor plowing twelve hours a day - - in the hot sun,...

    beats lumber jacking,
    beats working in oil refineries and chemical plants...

    beats the stress of an assembly line..,

    Nursing is a grand job compared to what most American men do.
    Talk about discrimination and a completely prejudice attitude toward men!!! I am offended! You are entitled to your opinion just like the KKK is entitled to theirs but you are doing exactly what they do when you make mass generalizations and make statements such as this

    "It isn't the call to nurse sick people that is drawing men into the occupation. It is the $$$$.

    The $$$ has FINALLY gotten high enough to attract men's attention..... and,"

    I was called to be a nurse and obviously from reading your post have more compassion and understanding of people and all things wrong with the world than someone who makes mass generalizations could possibly know.

    I have been a nurse for ten years, first as an LPN for nine and a half years and slowly steadily worked towards my ADN which I recieved last May and am currently working towards my BSN.

    I began my medical career while still in high school taking care of a quadriplegic boy that was just three years younger than I was. He had an accident in a swimming pool and broke his neck at C3/4 and was paralyzed from the neck down. I took complete care of him for 6 years and when he died I began nursing school.

    As fate would have my brother had a car accident and became a quadriplegic as well C4/5 and I cared for him until he died two years ago and the biggest problem I have ever had is with nurses that think they know it all and in reallity are just very desparetly attempting to hide the fact that they really don't know $hit!!!

    ps Passin thru your location should be hypocriteville
    Last edit by CCU NRS on Dec 2, '03
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Yes i took offense to passing-thru's post too, but have been accused of being excessively critical of her posts, so I did not say it here. Glad someone took notice besides me for a change. That way I know it's not all in my head.

    It was sexist, that is all I will say.
  8. by   mattsmom81
    The OP has his own agenda going here, as witnessed by his many posts about this and similar topics. I see Passingthru's remark as a tongue in cheek answer to that agenda.

    I guess we can find offense wherever we choose. The truth is somewhere in between I figure. But that's just me.
  9. by   passing thru
    THE FACTS/ statistics are:
    Historically, male have ONLY entered females traditional occupations when the SALARIES rose to an amount acceptable to the males.

    This is written in history books, re: 1920's, 1930's , 1940's to the present......
    Re: bank tellers, secretaries, bookkeepers, and in the 80's a few teachers.

    School teaching has not reached the salary level to attract large numbers of males.

    Sociology: History of the WorkPlace: Male and Females
    (take a peek on the net if you care to look for yourself, there's a few hundred thousand pages to study.)

    Sorry you see the facts as an expression of my "hypocracy."

    The truth/facts/statistics/history support my simple statement.
  10. by   FlyingED
    I am a male nurse in a CHI ed in the NW. A lol came into the ed c/o cp. In the room I helped her take her cloths off, hooked her up to the three lead, did a secondary from head to toes- and started an Iv. I was just finishing up when a Nun walked in and said "How are you feelling Sister Anne". I turned to her and said, "If I had known you were a nun I would have tortured you a little more." She just laughed and PINCHED me.

    I figured that if a nun will allow me to do a full exam on her, any female patient that has difficulty with a male nurse is an anomoly and has issues that should be pittied not condemned.

    As far as female nurses, I treat as individuals, period. But, I love pointing out, when I am the only male nurse in the ED, that there is to much estrogen floating in the air.
  11. by   efy2178
    Passing Thru
    Methinks you are putting the cart before the horse. There is no greater percentage of men in nursing now than there was 20 years ago. Yes my salary has gone from $8.26/hr when I stated in 1985 to $23.23/hr when I left work last June. But when you account for experience, certification etc. that's really not great. 5% of nurse were men in 1985 and 5% are men today. Any other field that requires the licensure, expertise and dedication as ours would certainly command more money.
    We need to attract men into the profession because they are a valuable asset to this women-dominated profession-- just as many women make great engineers.
    When we increase the percentage of men the salaries will go up.
    My fear is men will go to more socially acceptable health occupations and demand to do nursing tasks and then want licensure for a paraprofession that will not require nor demand the intense kind of learning/education nursing needs. I already see this happening. Yet nurses stay accountable for these delegated nursing tasks without the pay.
    It's getting scary. So stay in the know about what UAP's can and cannot do. And watch were the men are. They tend to be in the OR, ER and cath lab or administration. (I don't have a study on that-it's just my personal experience).
    Last edit by efy2178 on Dec 2, '03
  12. by   CCU NRS
    Originally posted by passing thru
    THE FACTS/ statistics are:
    Historically, male have ONLY entered females traditional occupations when the SALARIES rose to an amount acceptable to the males.

    This is written in history books, re: 1920's, 1930's , 1940's to the present......
    Re: bank tellers, secretaries, bookkeepers, and in the 80's a few teachers.

    School teaching has not reached the salary level to attract large numbers of males.

    Sociology: History of the WorkPlace: Male and Females
    (take a peek on the net if you care to look for yourself, there's a few hundred thousand pages to study.)

    Sorry you see the facts as an expression of my "hypocracy."

    The truth/facts/statistics/history support my simple statement.
    Actually the wages increase because of the male influx. Males unlike females will always demand the wage they beleive they are worth.. females have traditionally been too docile to demand raises and therefore get overlooked.
    Last edit by CCU NRS on Dec 3, '03
  13. by   Will Benson


    When I last checked my calendar, this was 2003!. I realize that there are STILL (surprisingly) a number of female nurses who believe males have no place in nursing. To them I say "Eisenhower is not president, the Model T is obsolete; and this is not 1950." To my knowledge there is no gender restriction on who is admitted to nursing school. (Just as it is acceptable for there to be female doctors, correct?). I'm sorry if you don't like the presence of males in a predominantly female profession, but you know what - GET OVER IT?

    Male nurses owe no explanations or apologies for being nurses. I much prefer the term "nurse" . note there is no gender specifier.

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