House - Is this what nurses do? - page 4

Did anyone watch House tonight? The reason I'm asking is about halfway through the show I think the MD played by Omar Epps made a rude comment about nurses. The situation was that the MD was... Read More

  1. by   SOREFEETEMPTYSTOMACH
    YOU GO GIRLS!!!(and guys) I WATCH THAT SHOW ONLY BECAUSE MY COMPANION HAS IT ON EVERY TUESDAY. OFTEN I TURN MY BACK AND READ.
    I FIND IT COMPLETELY SOCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE AND SO INACCURATE IT IS RIDICULOUS. THE SCARY THING IS THAT LAY CONSUMERS WATCH IT SO FOR THEM IT'S GOSPEL.THAT SHOW PORTRAYS PHYSICIANS IN THE HOSPITAL PERFORMING ALL SORTS OF PROCEDURES DONE BY NURSES IN REALITY.
    I SAY EACH OF US SHOULD WRITE A LETTER TO THE EDITOR OF OUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER WITH OUR LIST OF GRIPES. SECOND SEND A COPY TO THE CREATOR AND PRODUCER OF THE SHOW. IN TODAY'S HEALTHCARE MARKET THAT BOZO WOULD NOT BE AROUND LONG. :smilecoffeeIlovecof
  2. by   nrsang97
    I have to admit I love to watch Grey's Anatomy and ER. I have a HUGE gripe with House though. I have never seen a show where the docs do all their own labs, give their own meds, and run the CT and MRI machines. I do however like the mystery aspect of House. A lot of us wish we could say the things he says to people and not get fired.

    My aunt who is a administration assistant to the head of a research department for the VA, pointed out all of House's faults to me yesterday. The same things we all notice. NOT 1 single nurse in the show, the docs running the CT and MRI machines, (we have techs that do that), and running all their labs and biopsies ( we have lab techs and pathologists that do these things).

    I do have to say there have been some VERY strong nurse portrayels on ER, including Carol Hathway, Abby (before she became a doc), and Sam, and Halle. All these are very assertive and strong nurses. So I have to say I disagree that ER protrays nurses in a negative light. I have to give it to the producers of ER that they portray a nurse's role very well.

    Grey's Anatomy could use some work. They should have more nurses in their show. But as my cousin pointed out they do have Olivia the nurse. But Olivia is a very limited character. They could bring out some more nurses in the show. I still like to watch for the sotry lines anyway.

    And yes some docs and the public should be educated on what nurses do. I have to say that I remember the show "Nurses", I watched as a child with my aunt. I have to say that was a good show. They showed nurses taking orders from docs and implementing them. I remember the nurses on the show still wore white uniforms and caps.

    Even watching Untold stories of the ER, Truama life in the ER, you still don't get an adequate picture of what nurses do. These shows all focus on the docs.

    I would like to see a show all about nurses, just hope they do it right.
  3. by   jb2u
    Quote from lizz
    I'll try to ignore you're insulting remarks and explain where I'm coming from.

    I am not sure which words were insulting....

    The public does need to be educated on the role of the Nurse.(not insulting)

    Studies do show that Doctors do not even know what exactly the role of the Nurse is (not insulting)...and...

    I can understand an apathetic view on this topic if someone does not care about nursing as a PROFESSION. That is not an insult. That is me saying that if someone does not care about the profession then I understand that they do not care if nurses are portrayed in a poor light.

    I fully understand that t.v. is about ratings because ratings brings in the cash, and CASH is what it is really all about. The question is...can they portray a nurse MORE accurately and still have high ratings without changing their plots? The answer is YES. And by the way...No, Nurses do not just take Doctor's orders. Nurses can initiate smoking cessation counseling, consult nurse specialist, assess, and even refuse doctor's orders that endanger the patient. I think showing a Nurse standing up to a Doctor would not only be accurate, but an integral part of the role of the Nurse as a patient advocate. These shows DO try to be as accurate as possible with their doc characters. If they didn't care at all about reality...why don't they just have a RN writing orders, performing surgery, or working as chief of surgery. The answer is because to them that would not be realistic. However, they are ok with Doctors running MRI's, drawing blood, emptying a foley, and hanging around to watch after a patient. That's not too far away from reality for them. Again, I am not trying to insult anyone. I understand and it is a fact that some people just wanted a job and nursing was it, so, they do not care about how the profession is perceived. Some people love nursing, but do not understand the damage that is done by these shows or does not agree with the studies(like I said, studies show that these shows do affect the way the public views nursing). And some people love nursing and don't really care about how nursing is portrayed. I don't know why that would be, but some people just feel this way. I don't know which group you or anyone else here would fall into, but everyone would fall into one of these groups. You either love it/don't care, love it/don't believe, love it/care about it, don't love it/ don't care about it. Again, I never put down those that do not care. If someone chose nursing because they needed a secure job and do not really care about the profession or promoting it, that doesn't bother me at all as long as they take care of their patients in a professional manner. If someone disagrees with the studies, that's ok, too. I know someone will always take the opposing viewpoint on every issue, but as a whole, I'd hope that nurses who really care about the profession WILL see the damage that these shows do. I never even asked anyone to protest the shows, just know that these shows affect the way that the public views nursing. This way, we can educate the public one on one. And, there is nothing wrong with wanting to see nurses in these shows portrayed more accurately, right?
  4. by   Sheri257
    First, I think I know what a nurse does ...

    Have you ever written a TV script professionally? Because I have.

    This particular show is built around four doctors. The whole premise of the show is medical mystery diagnosis so, by it's very definition ... this show is going to be about doctors. Not nurses, not lab techs, not x-ray techs, etc. From a pure storytelling standpoint, anything to do with nurses and other healthcare workers is really irrelevant to the core premise of this show.

    Because this show is built around these four MD characters trying to figure out the diagnosis ... they're going to give them all of this other stuff to do because they are the stars and focus of the show.

    If they try to be politically correct and appease every healthcare worker from the lab techs to the nurses ... they're going to introduce so many characters that it will easily distract from the actual core story that they're trying to tell ... which is: what mystery diagnosis/disease does this patient have this week.

    The fact that House is so dangerous is also a key part of this show's entertainment. This show is about a brilliant, unconventional doc who goes to great, often controversial lengths to figure out what the disease is. And, of course, he's a jerk but, he's always right.

    So ... what's gonna happen if they write a script where a nurse holds the drug because it's unsafe. House is going to give it to the patient anyway ... and the controversial treatment is going to work, or lead to clues that will ultimately tell him what the real diagnosis is ... like it always does on this show ... and the nurse is ultimately going to made to look like an idiot for holding the drug. Just like they've made the other docs on the show look like idiots for disagreeing with House.

    Then, of course, nurses will be up in arms complaining about how the nurse was made to look bad on the show.

    The fact is, purely from an entertainment point of view: things like medical diagnosis and surgery are much more interesting and entertaining than what nurses do. And while some of these shows may have docs doing some of the things that nurses do, the core plot points still mainly focus on what docs do ... surgery, diagnosis, etc.

    And that's why these shows feature docs, not nurses.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 24, '06
  5. by   Diahni
    Everybody,
    I find the provocative way Cuddy dresses to defy reality. Has anybody ever seen an MD administrator dress in high heels and low-cut blouses? It would be nice to have some positive images of nurses out there, but it's not going to happen on these dumb, but amusing, tv shows. Just remember that the nursing profession is one of the most respected in real life. The medical mystery aspect of House is pretty interesting, even if real life MDs aren't the ones to draw blood. And even my 16 year old daughter finds Hugh Laurie pretty cute. Definitely cuter than Borat, aka Sascha Cohen, who is far more offensive.
    Diahni
  6. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from Diahni
    Everybody,
    I find the provocative way Cuddy dresses to defy reality. Has anybody ever seen an MD administrator dress in high heels and low-cut blouses? It would be nice to have some positive images of nurses out there, but it's not going to happen on these dumb, but amusing, tv shows. Just remember that the nursing profession is one of the most respected in real life. The medical mystery aspect of House is pretty interesting, even if real life MDs aren't the ones to draw blood. And even my 16 year old daughter finds Hugh Laurie pretty cute. Definitely cuter than Borat, aka Sascha Cohen, who is far more offensive.
    Diahni

    Actually, I have seen a nursing administrator dress like that. Just one though.

    I watch "House" occasionally. I've been an ER addict since day one and also watch Grey's Anatomy.

    I guess for me there are more important issues going on in the world to get involved in a letter writing campaign around some tv shows. Not saying the "nursing image" is not important but for me it doesn't rank up at the top of my list of important things that need changing in our world.

    steph
  7. by   P_RN
    Yes unfortunately some people no matter what their job/position don't have the good sense to dress the part.
  8. by   Jay-Jay
    I will never forget my first visit with my gynecologist. Underneath her whilte lab coat, she was wearing a purple chiffon party-type dress, with matching shoes.

    She was also chewing gum.

    She seemed like a good doctor, so I let it pass. I never saw her dressed that way again (maybe she was leaving right after work for a special function?? She shared the office with her husband.)

    Heck she was a GREAT doctor! When I had to have a hysterectomy, she walked into the OR with her arm around my shoulders! (This is a new policy: ambulatory patients are allowed to WALK into the OR. It gives them more of a sense of control. I like the policy.)

    So, don't judge a book by its cover. My old GP often visits his hospital patients on weekends, wearing his golf togs. He used to be head of family practise at his hospital, and is the BEST GP you could find anywhere!
    Last edit by Jay-Jay on Nov 24, '06
  9. by   jb2u
    Quote from lizz
    First, I think I know what a nurse does ...
    I have no doubt that you know exactly what nurses do. However, when I say "everybody" needs to know what nurses do....I was talking about everyone that is unaware of what nurses do. According to surveys that's about 81% of the population. I am sorry I was not clear about who exactly I was talking about. Again, Lizz, I did NOT mean to offend you or question YOUR knowledge on nursing. However, as someone that loves this profession, I want to see the profession grow to a point where our profession is understood. People trust us, but they do not know what we do exactly. I actually find that kind of odd, but maybe that's just me.



    Quote from lizz
    Have you ever written a TV script professionally? Because I have.
    No, I have never written a tv script...professionally or otherwise. That being said, I understand why the docs are the main focus and I understand why nursing is often an overlooked profession. I stated that I watch all of these shows. In fact, I love them, but I am AWARE that people, because of these shows, get the wrong view about what nursing is about. I don't really like that, but I am not asking anyone to write these shows, so what is the problem? I responded directly to those that stated..."it's just a tv show." Well, yes it is a tv show, but to say JUST a tv show is incorrect. It is a tv show that people say "oh, I know it's not real," but when they are surveyed by the CDC...the majority of viewers say "I learn about diseases and how to prevent them" from these entertainment tv shows. Doctors report patients asking about various illnesses after they are featured on "er." Again, I don't know why you are offended, and I am sorry that you are.
    Last edit by jb2u on Nov 25, '06 : Reason: fixed quote
  10. by   Sheri257
    Quote from jb2u
    Well, yes it is a tv show, but to say JUST a tv show is incorrect. It is a tv show that people say "oh, I know it's not real," but when they are surveyed by the CDC...the majority of viewers say "I learn about diseases and how to prevent them" from these entertainment tv shows. Doctors report patients asking about various illnesses after they are featured on "er."
    I don't think these shows are doing docs any favors either. According to Grey's Anatomy ... docs kill patients all the time and do highly unethical things and, they always get away with it.

    Alex made a patient a vegetable in one episode because of negligence. I don't remember there being any repercussions for it. In fact, Derek casually mentioned he had killed a patient as an intern. They made it sound like this was routine ... no board investigation, no disciplinary action, no lawsuits, no nothing.

    And what Izzy did last season should have gotten her banned from medicine all together. Yet, she's back on "probation." Everybody covered up for her because she's their friend. Nevermind about the patient who probably died because he was denied the transplant due to Izzy's highly unethical actions on behalf of her boyfriend.

    Burke's hand tremors are the latest sleazy thing that the docs have been doing on this show ... covering up the problem and endangering patients so Burke can keep his career. And there's Cristina sneaking around, covering on behalf of her boyfriend.

    All of this doesn't exactly promote public trust in doctors. But, that's drama and entertainment. If you make the key characters look like saints ... quite frankly, it's boring.

    Just like House would become boring if he suddenly became a nice guy who wasn't addicted to Vicodin. He's much more interesting as a pill popping ogre.

    That's why I say ... be careful what you wish for. If they did feature nurses more on television ... you probably wouldn't like it because they often make the docs look like drug addicted, sex crazed, sleazy cover up artists.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Nov 25, '06
  11. by   NurseCard
    I remember the show "Nurses". It was a sitcom and a spinoff of the show "Empty Nest" (which was a spinoff of The Golden Girls... I'm an 80's tv geek). The only thing that sticks out in my mind about the show, besides everyone wearing white... is Park Overall. I found her to be a very funny actress; I also loved her prostitute character in "Biloxi Blues".

    Prostitution... another profession that, darn it, just doesn't get the respect it deserves. (I'm KIDDING, I'm KIDDING! )

    Anyway, as far as "House" goes. You guys are trying really hard to ruin a good thing for me. "House" is the only FICTIONAL network TV show that I watch with any consistency. I love the show. I personally have actually never noticed nurses portrayed in a negative light in the show. Heck, they hardly portray nurses at ALL, and I'll agree to that. But like others have said, they also forget to include many other hospital staffers in the show such as radiology techs, CNA's, phlebotomists, etc.. The show is about these 4-5 doctors and how they are working together to solve these medical mysteries, and everything centers around them. The show has no basis in reality whatsover. I know this, and yes there are times that I do shake my head at how silly the show is. But again, I've never seen nurses slammed on the show. I probably missed the episode in which Omar Epps' character made the comment about nurses, since I haven't actually gotten to watch it recently because of my hours at work (we still don't have TiVo).

    I guess what I love about the show the most is House's character, and his interaction with everyone else on the show. Like already said, he is truly an equal opportunity jerk.
  12. by   gonzo1
    There have been some decent portrayals of nurses on TV, Nurses, Mash, ER and Marcus WElby MD (remember that one) or the one with Chad Everett, but for the most part it is all about the docs. Because they are at the top of the food chain and can write orders etc, there is allowance for more intriquing plots.
    Lets face it if nurses were portrayed correctly the public would die of boredom. I for one wouldn't want a show about my ER because we would look either boringly honest and hard working ( which would never sell a minute of advertising) or to juice the show up for the salascious public they would have to add the nurses who flock to the incoming traumas to check out the paramedics and cops. The nurses that wear thongs that show above their scrub bottoms no matter how many times they are spoken to. The nurses who are beat up by their husbands and keep going back, the nurses who don't wear scrub tops but rather tight knit tops that show their nipple outlines. The nurses who are pregnant, but not married. that have 3 kids, all by different fathers. The nurses who are mean and nasty to other, newer less experienced nurses. Yeah, I'm not sure that I am ready for reality nursing.
    Here's a plot line. New inexperience nurse is greeted by older, experienced preceptor who she follows all day. A couple of juicy traumas come in, new nurse gets to insert NG tube with help, and a lets do a foley too. Dress those wounds and splint that broken leg. Finallly find time to pee after 6 hours, lets not take lunch. Lots of charting, preceptor teaches new nurse how important charting is to "cover your ass". Are we all bored yet. Of course not, but would the public keep coming back to watch this week after week. Sadly, probably not.
    Ok, nurse show number 2,
    Tonights the first night with our new charge nurse. The tech who usually does as little as possible is working her ass off, especially when in sight of the charge. Some of the nurses are doing the same. A couple of the smokers offer to introduce the smoking charge to the secret smoking places.
    Marge the RN comes in alittle late after spending a couple of minutes making out in the ambulance bay with John the paramedic. Her nursing outfit for the night is a very tight knit middy top with nipples showing through. A pink thong that is riding up above the top of her pale green scrub bottoms that seem to have a tendency to ride down to her crack.
    Dr bing is pissed off because the 22 y/o nurse keeps calling him by his first name and he thinks it is disrepectful, but he really is a nice sweet guy and wont' tell her not to do it (true story). Beth and Betty the RNS sit around most of the night because their friend Bill is doing the triage and tries to not give them any pts unless absolutely has to. They talk at length about their sex and drinking lives and which paramedic they would like to sleep with next. They take a smoking break every 1.5 hours. A nasty old drunk comes in and they sstart an IV for a banana bag for him with a 16 guage needle and put a foley cath in with no lube (just because they can) and then come out of the room laughing and joking about how he was screaming for mercy.
    I could go on and on. But do you want me to.
    I wish TLC or discovery channel would do a few documentaries on nurses. THat would be our best hope for an accurate portrayal. Or maybe Johnson and Johnson could do something as part of their Be A Nurse campaign.
    I have to go to bed now and sleep up so I can go to work tonight. I am one of the boring nurses that wears regular scrubs, been married a hundred years and just does the same honest, hard working, no fireworks job day after day. No one would make any money off of my life.

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