Horror story......

BBFRN, BSN, PhD · Nov 16, 2002

Originally posted by Susy K
Because we're not pedophiles, we don't run a website with links to kiddie Media, and currently the law protects us from someone hacking into our webserver which is NOT publicly displayed, and viewing our files. And also, it's our right to download Media if we choose.

Besides, that's like stating that we realize that being Muslim may make you possibly being targeted for terrorism, so why practice Muslim? I don't agree with that position.

No offense, but I don't equate someone's affinity for Media to a choice in religious practice. Also, it's hard to make an argument in regard to one's right to PRIVACY in relation downloading Media while discussing it openly on a PUBLIC message board. If you're not afraid to discuss it here, then why do you care who accesses your Media activity? Not a judgement thing, but my feeling is that if you're not doing anything questionable, then who cares what Big Brother sees? I understand that it's one's right to look at Media, but it's a form of entertainment- why is it SO important to adamently defend it? If you have to defend your form of entertainment so vehemently, doesn't it lead you to question why it's so great? Go buy Media at the magazine rack if privacy is such an issue.

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

I don't care who accesses my Media activity, and I don't care that I discuss it HERE. That is my choice to post this information publically. I am referring to HACKING, illegally, into my computer and viewing its contents. And THAT is not "doing it on my front lawn" as another poster suggested.

Hacking is illegal. We can't hack into Citibank's server and obtain financial info; we can't hack into school's servers and obtain student records. THIS is what I was referring to. If I have my files viewable and accessible by the PUBLIC, on a public forum or on a public website - that's one thing. But the difference is, if you HACK into my computer, via the back door, that is illegal and any information you obtain via that means is/should be invalid. So, I wasn't questioning the information obtained about this guy, I was concerned on HOW it was obtained.

Currently, as it stands, even if I HAD kiddie Media on my server, the point is no one can access those files and see that activity without doing so illegally. So I am not concerned about my discussion about it here.

This really is a pretty simple concept, IMHO. For the same reason you can't enter my home and go through my bookshelf, and then use that information against me, is the same reason you can't enter my server, go through my files and use that information against me. What is there not to understand?

This is not about the validity of Media. This is not about the problem with child Media. This was about a concern that a few of us had about governmental agencies HACKING into our computers at will. It is no different than entering your home without a search warrant and just cause.

Q. · Nov 16, 2002

Originally posted by [email protected]
No offense, but I don't equate someone's affinity for Media to a choice in religious practice.

You missed the point entirely. You asked why would someone do anything that could possibly align them with unscrupulous behavior or practices, and that rationale I don't agree with. That would very well be the same thing as telling people not to outwardly practice Muslim because of the possibly of the alignment it has with terrorism, as of late. That is what I was trying to say.

flowerchild · Nov 16, 2002

Suzy K,

To clarify: I don't care who accesses my Media activity, and I don't care that I discuss it HERE. That is my choice to post this information publically. I am referring to HACKING, illegally, into my computer and viewing its contents. And THAT is not "doing it on my front lawn" as another poster suggested.

I was referring to the use of newsgroups. Not someone hacking into your system.

And I gotta ask, Do you own your own server?

Youda · Nov 16, 2002

Susy, again no offence intended; you have a naive belief that your "privacy" protects you from discovery when engaging in criminal activity; or that law enforcement cannot use whatever means available to investigate criminal activity such as child Mediaography.

I have referred you to the actual legislation and asked you to read it in its entirety. Since you have not done this, I will post it here so that your mistaken ideas can be clarified for others.

HR 850, Security And Freedom through Encryption (SAFE) Act makes it illegal to attempt to hide criminal activity on computers through the use of encryption or any other means. This law also gives law enforcement the power and authority to intercept or investigate, search and seize such material, and allows the use of any criminal material to be used as evidence to prosecute the offender.

HR 3494, Protection of Children From Sexual Predators Act of 1998, makes a duty to report by any ISP that obtains knowledge of facts or circumstances from which a violation of child Mediaography laws. Although I would not attempt to interpret the laws, your admission of storing child Mediaography on this BB could make allnurses required to report you to the appropriate law enforcement agencies.

HR 4123 states,

`(a) Any person who--

`(1) knowingly mails, or transports or ships in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any child Mediaography ;

`(2) knowingly receives or distributes--

`(A) any child Mediaography that has been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer; or

`(B) any material that contains child Mediaography that has been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer;

And further . . .

`(B) knowingly possesses 3 or more books, magazines, periodicals, films, videotapes, or other material which contain any visual depiction of child Mediaography , or any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, computer disk, or any other material that contains 3 or more images of child Mediaography that has been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, or that was produced using materials that have been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer,

And, you should pay particular attention to SEC. 7. PRIVACY PROTECTION ACT AMENDMENTS which ammends that Act to make exceptions to your privacy if the offense involves the production, possession, receipt, mailing, sale, distribution, shipment, or transportation of child Mediaography , the sexual exploitation of children, or the sale or purchase of children under section 2251, 2251A, 2252, 2252A, or 2252B of title 18, United States Code'; and

(2) in subsection (b)(1), by inserting before the parenthesis at the end the following: `, or if the offense involves the production, possession, receipt, mailing, sale, distribution, shipment, or transportation of child Mediaography , the sexual exploitation of children, or the sale or purchase of children under section 2251, 2251A, 2252, 2252A, or 2252B of title 18, United States Code'.

And you have violated the statutes if you . . .

Sec. 2252B. Certain activities relating to material depicting the sexual exploitation of minors

`(a) Any person who--

`(1) knowingly mails, or transports or ships in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, any visual depiction, if such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaged in sexually explicit conduct;

`(2) knowingly receives or distributes any visual depiction or any material that contains a visual depiction that has been mailed, or shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, if such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaged in sexually explicit conduct;

`(3) knowingly reproduces any visual depiction for distribution through the mails, or in interstate or foreign commerce by any means, including by computer, if such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaged in sexually explicit conduct;

Again, Susy, I would encourage you to educate yourself before attempting to argue a point. To summarize, your "entertainment" whether done in the privacy of your own home or on the front lawn, if it includes criminal activity, your "privacy" is not protected. As with any criminal activity, even a Hacker who stumbles upon your cache of Media, and who reports that to law enforcement and has reason to believe a crime is being committed, and an investigation ensues, I'm sure you could sue the hacker in civil court for violating your "privacy" but you would still go to jail. BTW: the minimum sentence is 15 years.

I'd rethink your morals if I were you. You're jeapordizing an awful lot for your so-called "entertainment."

sunnygirl272 · Nov 17, 2002

Originally posted by woundnurse
Had my son (hes over 18), a few months ago use my computer and guess what he down loaded. I got it cleaned up but still receive very x-rated e-mails on a daily basis... Not fun but only way I can think to eliminate is to change my e-mail address... needless to say son is not allowed to use computer:(

Would hate to think someone thinks I'm asking for this "stuff". PS most don't have ways to get off their lists either.....

justa tip..even if they offer a link to go to, or offer the option of sending an email to take you off of their lists, all that does is confirm that they have a valid email address....

also, those emails may not be connected to your sons activities....

it's Mediaspam...don't know anyone who hasn't gotten it...

nurs4kids · Nov 17, 2002

I do NOT condone child Media, nor do I think Suzy does. Why is that being suggested? Not once did Suzy say she or her hubby owns, views or enjoys child Media! Child Media disgust me terribly. Hubby and I have actually had arguments because of LEGAL Media pics of "adults" who look like young teens. There's a magazine called, "Barely 18" or something like that..every chick in there looks 12-16 to me, but it's sold in most quick marts. Go right now and do a search for "Media"..I guarantee you'll get tons of returns for child Media...also, most of the adult Media sites will have pics looking like young teens. Most men just prefer looking at younger (NO, not kids) attractive women than older, wrinkled ones. You're saying if the pics LOOK like child Media, then they're illegal. So, if a 19yr old poses nude, it's illegal because she LOOKS 15?? not.

Child Media sickens me. I don't even care for any form of Mediaography. But, I have enough self confidence to allow my hubby to view Media if he chooses and I imagine the same can be said of Suzy. Mediaography IS legal, and I don't see anything Suzy has said here that indicates she or her hubby are doing anything illegal...so, why is she being warned?

Again, our beef is with invasion of privacy. We're not endorsing the protection of pedophiles, just the right of protection against illegal search and seizure.

flowerchild · Nov 17, 2002

it's Mediaspam...don't know anyone who hasn't gotten it...

I never get it.

Here's how: Set your defaults and filters to filter email smam with you isp and on your program for email.

Empty your cookies, tempory internet files and history frequently. You can set defaults to do this too, usually. I delete my history daily and the others weekly. I have cable access to the internet so everything loads immediatly which means no need for cookies, etc. Just be sure you write down your passwords and names where you are registered as this may delete the memory of these items.

Watch under your favorites that a site hasn't attached itself to your favorites without your knowledge and delete them when they appear.

Avoid visiting sites that contain Media. If you visit one, it will inundate your system with cookies, links, etc. that involve Media.

To avoid others from peeping into your computer files, use a firewall.

To avoid viruses, worms, etc. you must have an up to date protection program. I use PC-cillin and it is excellent. Be sure you get automatic updates by setting your default accordingly.

Q. · Nov 17, 2002

Originally posted by flowerchild
And I gotta ask, Do you own your own server?

Yes I do.

Q. · Nov 17, 2002

Tracy,

I appreciate your post. I can only imagine what spawned it (as certain posts here I cannot see) but make no mistake, threats against posters here (which include me) are certainly not tolerated on allnurses as well. And if anyone here has a particular belief against me, I encourage you to report it to the authorities. And I'll see your azz in court for slander, even if it even got that far - seeing as posts here in a BB community are very hard to determine origin or even authenticity. I think some people need to update themselves on the LACK of internet laws....but anyway....

Time to bow out of this thread. See ya!

Stargazer · Nov 17, 2002

Originally posted by Youda
I'd rethink your morals if I were you. You're jeapordizing an awful lot for your so-called "entertainment."

This is an inexcusably judgemental statement to make about the legal, private activities of an adult married couple whom you do not know.

I hardly think it's your place to judge the "morals" of Susy and her husband, or anyone else for that matter, based on a few posts on an internet bulletin board.

Youda · Nov 17, 2002

Originally posted by flowerchild
I never get it.
Here's how: Set your defaults and filters to filter email smam with you isp and on your program for email.
Empty your cookies, tempory internet files and history frequently.

I also use PC-Cillin, and it's the BEST, IMHO.

I also run weekly a program called Ad-Aware, because this program will catch any entries made to your system registry or programs hidden on your computer that can involve Media spam. You can download Ad-aware free on the internet.

Well, gang, have fun debating privacy vs. child Media, I have a pizza in the oven and a movie to watch, and a friend at the door.