Foreign recruitment of nurses-thoughts? - page 4

I posted this in another section inadvertantly. How do you feel about foreign recruitment of nurses to deal with the nursing shortage. As stated in other post, forgive me if this topic has been... Read More

  1. by   -jt
    <the North Americas MUST encourage the recruitment and retention of their own people...>
    >
    <God helps those who help themselves...>
    >

    Healthyone & GlobalRN - on these points you are both right.
    And we can all do both of them

    Find your representative at www.Congress.org
    copy, paste & email:

    "Message to Congress
    Immigration and the Nursing Workforce

    I believe the U. S. healthcare industry has failed to maintain a work environment that is conducive to safe, quality nursing practice and that retains experienced U. S. nurses within patient care. I support continuation of the CURRENT certification process to apply to all foreign-educated health care workers regardless of their visa or other entry status. I OPPOSE efforts to exempt foreign-educated nurses from current H-1B visa program requirements. Over-reliance on foreign-educated nurses serves only to postpone efforts required to address the needs of the U.S. nursing workforce. The cause of instability in the US nursing workforce must be addressed - namely, the unacceptable working conditions and inadequate compensation which are driving US nurses from the job and keeping them away.

    The practice of changing immigration law to facilitate the use of foreign-educated nurses is a short-term solution that serves ONLY the interests of the hospital industry, NOT the interests of patients, domestic nurses, or foreign-educated nurses.

    The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 requires that all foreign health care professionals, except physicians, must be certified by the Commission on Graduates of Foreign Nursing Schools (CGFNS) or another independent, government-certified organization qualified to issue credentials. The certification process verifies that the foreign health care worker's education, training, or experience meets all applicable statutory and regulatory requirements for entry into the United States. In addition, any foreign license submitted must be validated as authentic and unencumbered. If the health care worker is a registered nurse (RN), the nurse must have passed an examination testing both nursing skill and English language proficiency. Please OPPOSE attempts to diminish these standards.

    The American Nurses Association (ANA) condemns the practice of recruiting nurses from countries with their own nursing shortage, and so do I.

    Foreign-educated nurses brought into the United States tend to be placed in jobs with the same unacceptable working conditions that US RNs are refusing, but with the expectation that these nurses, as temporary residents and foreigners, would not be in a position to complain. I abhor this exploitation of nurses.

    Please vote to oppose efforts to exempt foreign-educated nurses from current H-1B visa program requirements so that our employers must begin to create real, long term solutions to the problems in our workplaces, rather than using increased recruitment of foreign nurses as an alternative to making the needed improvements."

    Sincerely,
    Last edit by -jt on Oct 6, '02
  2. by   healthyone
    globalRN,

    you're the whiner and complainer. i speak my mind with full conviction as to my arguements. i don't just backlash when something affects me personally. i am socially conscious and involved and get involved in many issues...not just the ones that affect my people or me personally--that's your area. i care about my patients...if i only wanted to care for other nurses' welfare i would have gone into law or administration, not nursing. in my training, caring for co-workers is part of the total picture of caring. not the forefront. i have no idea what you received (or interpreted) from your training.

    i'm very involved in the well being of people in general. from your responses i doubt you can say the same. you seem selfish and unconcerned about the bigger picture and indifferent to the fact that americans really would benefit more from their own people caring for them primarily and that foreigned trained nurses should not get more of a silver spoon that a native. i'm so embarrased for you that you find that hard to comprehend.

    i am part Native myself, and can definitely speak about the ethnic perspective. you mentioned that america really belongs to the natives and immigrants. how ignorant of you to delete the huge contributions of africans to this country, brought here unwillingly several hundred years ago. your perspective is so limited, globalRN. it would probably help you a little to research more intelligently on subjects that you debate so hotly!

    nurses like you scare me...rather, people like you scare me. you just argue on and on and don't stop because someone has offended you. you don't really care about the issue at all, just that your bee is in a bonnet because other people may not be impressed with the care your people give in a GENERAL SENSE. if you don't like it why don't you start workshops on how to change the perception? there...that's a good pat answer for you.

    as for your harping on an on about how to help myself...God! i have already explained to you in a simple way, i am not interested in your patronizing career recommendations. including my pending nursing degree, i have 3 health professions under my belt. i hardly think i need your help in the area of self-sufficiency. i only used myself as an example to make a point that my experience is like many others'. you must of missed that point with your ranting and raving. Is that similar to the 'wonderful' care you were referring to when working with your patients--hammer them down and patronize them until they feel like they couldn't survive with your self-reported 'great nursing care'. God, i hope no one i know ends up on your tours anytime soon, global.

    in a way, i'm glad you interacted with me on this bb...it will give you a chance to see yourself through someone else's eyes. it doesn't really seem to me that you give yourself a chance to do that in your everyday practise. if you had, i don't think you would have missed the boat so completely on this issue.
  3. by   NancyRN
    Thank you, jt for an eloquent message. I've sent it to my Congressman in Ohio!
  4. by   Sleepyeyes
    Ditto jt, from sunny (overworked, underpaid, understaffed) FL
  5. by   pfleige
    pfleige:

    You are in violation of allnurses posting rules and repetative posting of your website is being removed from posts that are not related.

    Please cease or your posting priveleges will be revoked, an action we really don't want to take.
    Last edit by P_RN on Oct 8, '02
  6. by   sjoe
    Note to healthy and global--you seem to be unfamiliar with the "ignore" feature on this BB. If there is someone whose posts you do NOT wish to read, simply go to any one of these posts, click on "profile" and make the selection that puts them on your ignore list. Magically, you'll not be tormented with ANY of this person's posts in the future.

    Give it a try and give the rest of us a break!
  7. by   -jt
    <Thank you, jt for an eloquent message. I've sent it to my Congressman in Ohio!
    <
    >Ditto from sunny (overworked, underpaid, understaffed) FL >

    Good for you guys! But dont thank me. I didnt compose it. I just copied & pasted from the sample on the ANA websites governmental affairs page. Its what its there for & Ive made much use of it myself. I hope more RNs do too instead of just complaining
    Thanks
  8. by   globalRN
    sjoe, thank you for your welcome but belated suggestion.
    After healthyone's 2nd rant on this thread,
    I had already quarantined her and her rabid ranting via the 'ignore' button.
    I am disappointed that when foreign nurses were used as scapegoats, or when their collective character/background were impugned there was very little response from this board.
  9. by   -jt
    <I am disappointed that when foreign nurses were used as scapegoats, or when their collective character/background were impugned there was very little response from this board.>


    Little response?? Are you kidding? Did you see the responses on this topic over at the Nursing Activism/Politics page??? 4 pages & 77 responses already - most not objecting to the nurses who are recruited, just objecting to the practice of foreign recruitment as a way for the hospitals to avoid spending the money to make the improvements in the workplace that are needed to attract US RNs back to the job.
    http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...threadid=23525
    Last edit by -jt on Oct 7, '02
  10. by   jude11142
    Originally posted by pfleige
    Hello Nurses:
    I would like to announce the addition of "Free Spanish one Phrase a Week With Audio-Voice Message"
    Sincerely,
    Pilar
    spanish4nurses.com
    Good Idea, but do we have this for Italian too? My poor grandparents didn't have the priviliage of having things written in italian etc...............they had to learn to speak english, afterall, why shouldn't they learn it if they were living in America. Don't want to start something here, but it does hit a nerve with me when one takes one nationality and caters to that language. I'm all for keeping our heritage alive along with each native tongue and my ancesters talked in italian in their homes., but they made sure that their children learned to speak in English.
    jude
    Last edit by brian on Oct 8, '02
  11. by   globalRN
    jt: oh, I see, perhaps not on this thread then.

    With the state of healthcare where it is today, I feel it is really
    important for all nurses to be united and not be divided by
    pettiness or an ..us versus them scenario. If nurses want working conditions to change...we must individually and collectively get involved in the political process...in the workplace, the community, state and national level. More nurses should belong to professional organizations...how effective is ANA when others see that they only represent a small proportion of all nurses?
    Glad to see nurses here are letting their legislative reps know what they want....

    Last, it is common sense and common courtesy to learn the official language of the country you are living in.
  12. by   apols_uk
    hello i never knew a foreign nurse could be educated in the states for free even though im foreign its unfair for the americans. but honestly i havent heard a single add or postage even in the net(?) that offers overseas students or traning to be a nurse would be offered free nursing education in america

    ( CRAPPPPPPPPPPPP)
  13. by   OzNurse69
    Likewise apols_uk. I have been offered assistance to meet visa requirements and to take the NCLEX, but never any sort of tuition assistance.

    Just as an aside, a lot of the US recruiting companies provide a free week in Hawaii/Guam to take the exam, as it has to be on US soil. When you pass you are obliged to work for the particular company for a contract of - say - 12 or 18 months. For a while now I have been very tempted to take up their offer, as all I would pay would be (from memory) $300 US. And hey, no matter how good a nurse I am, I am capable of failing ANY exam if I want to badly enough!

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