Family Member Watching Pro-terror/ Anti-America/ Anti-Semitic video

[sugarmagnolia3]

Would love to know your thoughts.

A coworker was stunned to go into a room and find a parent watching an pro-terrorism, anti-America, anti-Semitic video. Allegedly, it was calling for the destruction of the president, America, Jews. She was horrified at the content and even more so horrified that the parent was watching in front of the child, and didn't seem to care if she heard.

She called Risk Management who said there was nothing to do, because it would be a violation of HIPAA.

I felt DCS should have been called because it is emotionally abusive to subject a child to hate speech. (we're talking actual hate speech, here). She was going to consult with a social worker on this aspect.

I also suggested she make an anonymous FBI and/or Homeland Security tip.

Please discuss.

[SpankedInPittsburgh, DNP, RN]

Yeah people are entitled to their beliefs no matter how bat-poop crazy they are. Unfortunately the fruit often doesn't fall far from the tree for a good reason as the young are socialized into whack-a-doo land. This is disturbing and distasteful but not illegal and probably not child abuse. Very sad situation indeed but honestly so long as people are entitled to freedom of expression and thoughts I don't know if there is much to be done about it.

[klone, MSN, RN]

I would feel "not right" about it too...especially if the parent is trying to indoctrinate his/her child. However, I really don't see how this rises to the level of abuse. There are lots of less then ideal things parents do (I wish I could turn in parents who let their toddler kids play on the floor of the ED rooms), but it requires something more than "a little not right" before we can report a parent for abuse..

Yes. I'm sure many pro-life Christians might consider it abusive if parents took their child to a Planned Parenthood or pro-choice/pro-abortion rally.

[SpankedInPittsburgh, DNP, RN]

I would feel "not right" about it too...especially if the parent is trying to indoctrinate his/her child. However, I really don't see how this rises to the level of abuse. There are lots of less then ideal things parents do (I wish I could turn in parents who let their toddler kids play on the floor of the ED rooms), but it requires something more than "a little not right" before we can report a parent for abuse.

As for speech encouraging violence...there is no law against listening to this. There is something like that on the nightly news regularly. It may leave a bad taste in your mouth to hear it, but you can't turn someone in for listening.

Ain't that the darn truth or bring the whole family along when they go fishing for narcs

[OldDude]

So let's take the child out of the picture for a minute. You walk into a patient's room, and he/she is watching a video on their personal device. You hear anti-Semitic phrases being used in the video and the "You Tuber" is advocating violence towards Jews. Do you report that? I understand see something, say something, and if the patient were the one talking about committing violent acts towards Jews, etc., then, yes say something. I don't think you can report them just for watching something.

Op didn't reference anti Semitic phrases, Op reported advocating destruction...so yes, I would

[Wannabenurseneko]

I've know people who are black and Latino that had to deal with, stuff like this being said to their face by the patient they care for or their families for years . Most of them had to learn the hard lesson of ignoring it or learning to deal with it and some of them have become used to it to the point it no longer shocks them(specially if you are a CNA working in geriatrics) ; Plus for 2016 it was decided we wouldn't be PC anymore . So I guess everyone feels embolden to say whatever they want . I'm not saying your wrong for being offended , but you will have to learn to do what most people of color have learned to do before is to just grin and bear it . Also I'm not doing a who has it worse thing , but this is something some learn quickly more than others , plus in the nursing field regardless of race if you worked as a CNA you learn this very quickly as you are on the bottom of the totem pole and have to deal with hearing things , or people talking to you in a demeaning manner . I will probably get a lot of flack for this ,but that's just my 2 cents .

[chare]

Op didn't reference anti Semitic phrases, Op reported advocating destruction...so yes, I would

The OP stated that the family was watching this, not speaking it themselves. Further, she stated that the ...child was not definitely old enough to have discourse about the topic.

What, and who, exactly are you going to report?

[chare]

I've know people who are black and Latino that had to deal with, stuff like this being said to their face by the patient they care for or their families for years...

Again, this was not spoken by the family members, it was something that was being watched. Are you suggesting that patients and their family members shouldn't watch something that you find offensive?

[guest52816]

Was the patient actively planning an attack or building a bomb in their room?

If not, what do you report to authorities? Do you report that you don't approve of them watching and listening to hate speech in front of child?

While I agree with you, that such behavior is disgusting, it isn't against the law. After all, White Nationalists have children too, and I don't see the government removing those children from the home.

The current occupant of the WH has said the most vile things against all kinds of people: Jews, Native Americans and women, just to name a few. He still has custody of his son, Barron.

If you are personally offended by the behavior, as I would be, you should request to remove yourself from carrying out care duties for this patient.

[psu_213, BSN, RN]

Op didn't reference anti Semitic phrases, Op reported advocating destruction...so yes, I would

The OP stated the family member was watching an "...anti-Semitic video," which included advocated for "destruction of...Jews." Maybe I took a little liberty with my interpretation, but I took it to mean that it included anti-Semitic phrases. I feel like we are splitting hairs on this. Either way, though, I just can't see reporting someone for something they are watching--as disturbing as this might be.

ETA: Plus, it was the video that was advocating destruction, not the parent.

[Wannabenurseneko]

Again, this was not spoken by the family members, it was something that was being watched. Are you suggesting that patients and their family members shouldn't watch something that you find offensive?

I think you interpreted my post , What I was trying to say is we who work in the medical field have no control what our patients watch , listen to and sometimes we have to ignore it and provide care for them regardless of their opinions , beliefs , what they listen to and in worse cases what offensive stuff comes out of their mouths . In this case nothing offensive was said by the patient or their family . I am not suggesting patients and their family members shouldn't watch something that I find offensive , They can watch or listen to whatever they please , even if I don't like it I will just ignore it and do my job .

[Guest219794]

OP- I appreciate your concern, and also believe that subjecting a child to that kind of hatred is, in fact, abusive.

But- this is now the America we live in.

Nazi groups in this country openly support our current leader. Don't you know there are fine people on both sides of this issue.

A Nazi who likes wearing one of those "Make america great again" hats just won the the republican nomination in an Illinois congressional race.

Our commander in chief has claimed ignorance of the existence of an alt right movement in this country despite their ardent support for his presidency.

Hate crimes are up.

Publlc bigotry is gaining acceptance.

Bottom line is there is nothing illegal about raising your child to be an ignorant, hate filled bigot. And, there is no longer the same stigma attached to this, so expect to see more of it.

[Not_A_Hat_Person, RN]

I would definitely mention the video watching to the charge nurse, and in report. I don't think that family would react positively to their child having a Jewish or Muslim roommate, or being cared for by Jewish, Muslim, or nonwhite staff.