Ethics Violation-Would you remain silent or challenge the system?

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Today I was labeled a "whistleblower and tattletail because I, along with numerous other students, witnessed a table of individuals cheating on an exam in our Anatomy and Physiology class which is a major pre-req into entrance into the nursing program. One of the individuals completed the exam and recieved it back, and took the test back to the table where she distributed all the correct answers to them, in which they in turn proceeded to change all their previous answers. In absolute boldness, one of the girls said quite loudly, "what is the answer to the last one?", and the first individual read off the answers to her. The proffessor does not proctor the exams. He simply hands them out and grades them as soon as you complete them, and then hands them back with the right answers corrected in. He does not wait until each student has completed the exam to pass out the results. Nor does he cruise the classroom to make sure that everyone is done before begining a new lecture. I felt that this was a major loophole that obviously a table of students had taken advantage of. In his syllabus he states that SUSPICION of cheating will result in failure of the exams.

Because at least 15 other students witnessed the cheating as well, we held a brief meeting about the issue and I told them I would address the professor since I was sitting next to the students and saw the entire situation. After class myself and another student asked to speak to the professor in confidentiality. The accussed students had caught wind earlier that they were going to be outted and had actually stuck around in the classroom to see who the individuals were. After they left, I told the proffessor what I and the other students had witnessed. He shrugged his shoulders nonchalantly and told me there was nothing he could do since he didn't see it happening and that next time I would have to tell him while it is happening. He also stated "and if they cheated on the last exam it didn't help them much because they made a 55". They recieved a 98 (which is an A) on today's test that they cheated on. The proffessor regarded me with an "I could careless" attitude and proceeded to pack his things. He did not ask me any questions about who else was involved, raised no concern that he is passing CHEATING students with an A into a highly competitive medical program who are in direct violation of the Colleges Code of Ethics. As I left with the other student, we noticed that the accused were actually waiting on us to leave and procceeded to follow us and threaten us for telling on them. They cautioned that I had better mind my own business and continued with verbal harrassment to the point I had to use profanity to stop them from FOLLOWING ME TO MY CAR. This incident has been brought to the proffessors attention by more than one occasion and he has not taken any steps in changing the testing process.

There is going to be a pending investigation involving the students and the facult member who is now KNOWINGLY aiding them in their attempts to fraud the system. Nursing is a limited access program and is based solely on a point based system. Only sixty of 250 students are admitted each fall and to think that a group of UNQUALIFIED individuals are cheating their way to an open slot is a dissapointment to the College's Mission Statement. We do NOT NEED THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH! These are not leaders, these are not nurses. How would you feel if the doctor who was about to diagnose you had cheated is way through medical school? We have got to crack down on academic dishonesty and stop allowing it to continue because it's easy to turn the other cheek. How would you feel if you sacrificed work and family to dedicate yourself into getting into the nursing program, only to find out that there weren't enough slots, and the people who got in CHEATED their way in.

I am sorry for the detail but it is the only way to explain the severity of the situation. As professionals in the field who have worked very hard to get where you are, what would you have done?

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.
. . .So cheating is not okay. But giving the circumstances. Professor who doesnt care. Prerequisite. No life or death situation. Why waste Calories and time walking to some upper authority. The upper authority may even look at you like why is he/she wasting my time. . .
The problem with your logic here, however, is that the person doesn't know that reporting the cheater is going to be a waste of time because they don't know what the instructor's attitude is going to be until saying something to the instructor. Most instructors wouldn't act the way that this one did.
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Hey, not to change the subject, but here is an extreme example of how people just don't want to get involved and it made my physically ill.

Anyone live in Florida and hear about the boat that sank and they just retrieved the bodies of an 8-year-old and 2-year-old-baby off the boat...dead?

Well, I just listened to the 911 call that was on local6.com - Home. The husband escaped the boat first with is 3 MONTH OLD baby...was standing, baby naked, at a fence, screaming at houses for someone to help him...one resident called 911 and say there was a man standing with a small naked baby and was screaming for help...said something about a boat sinking in deep water...the 911 operator said, "Do you know if anyone is still on the boat?" The caller said, "No, I don't know." The 911 operator said, "Well, can you go ASK HIM!". So you hear this woman yell out the window to ask and and you can hear the man say his 8 year old and 2 year old were on the boat and sank with it. You hear the 911 Operator call out to someone to send an ambulance and search team. Now HERE is the kicker.

THE STUPID WOMAN THAT CALLED 911 SAID, "Oh, when you send the ambulance out here, tell them not to turn on their siren's because I just got my kids to sleep and don't want to wake them up!"

She was more concerned about her kids getting woke up than a man that just lost half his family to drowning.

THAT is the problem with American folks...

...to add...just this week, at night on a busy road, I watched no less than 50 to 100 cars pass by a horribly ditched truck...I stopped to make sure no one was inside it, and it was empty....what if there was a child inside? What if someone was hurt? I did this same thing about 8 years ago...I looked in to see the hood pulled down over this man's head, and his hands curled under, and he couldn't speak...again, busy road, ditched car...no one stopped...I refused to leave him until the ambulance got there and kept talking to him.

People need to fix what is wrong when the opportunity presents itself!

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.

I hear ya. There's something wrong with the thinking and priorities of a good many people these days. Sad, isn't it. Kind of makes me wonder what it will lead to in 50 years when I'm dead and gone.

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I'm sorry to here about your financial difficulties. You stated that you dont believe that anyones on a high horse but right after that statement you put You live by a different standard than I. (huh, could that be PRIDE)

How were you able to live by a different standard than I? Was it a personal choice? Before you were $40K in debt, how was your child hood? Did your parents guide you in the right direction? Are did you grow up moving from foster home to group home, being abused, misguided?

Everyone doesnt have the luxury of having parents to instill values in them. A child that's been abused and poverished may come to look at the world as every man for himself. Simply just trying to survive. That doesn't mean they lack ethical values for cheating on a test. They may see the professor's attitude and say well if he doesnt care why should I. Im gone make sure i study in nursing school though.

Okay, Reebok, I've been reading through this thread. Give me a break, man! Paragraphs 2 & 3 are hogwash. I was one of the many nurses on this BB who grew up abused and impoverished. I, too spent time in foster homes. I was misguided by many, moving from state to state over the years. Bottom line, though, I made a choice. I saw how the "every man for himself" philosophy didn't work. I chose to behave ethically. I chose to educate myself. I continue to choose to behave ethically. And yes, I do my report my mistakes - it's a matter of patient safety! I'd rather get "called on the carpet" about a problem I'd caused rather than lose my license for not looking out for my patients & causing one to die.

A student who cheats in prerequisite classes will frequently fail out of the nursing program. This amounts to a waste of time, energy & money. If this person does make it through the program, he/she is at greater risk for failing their board exam, another waster of time, energy & money. When this person passes the board exam, you will see this person exit nursing quickly because of the difficulty of the work and/or incompetence.

I turned in a fellow student while in nursing school. He copied the work our group had created (his own group had kicked him out). As a group, we went to the faculty member (who was also head of the program). He had the attitude that he'd had a hard life & we should help him out. We suggested the bootstrap method. He was allowed to continue, graduate & pass the boards. He didn't stay in nursing long & was a poor nurse until he left the field.

And that's why we don't tolerate cheaters.

...A med error can occur for a number of reasons: unable to read MD's handwriting, putting wrong info in computer, pharmacy mistake, etc.

This caught my eye...

None of these should explain a med error...It's ALWAYS an error of the nurse, period.

If you can't read his writing, call and ask him...

If you believe a MAR (blindly) without checking the orders, you are careless...

If you put your (blind) faith in the pharmacy, you are careless as well...

Just my .02

I cheated on my final engineering chemistry test, 21 years ago, just to squeak out a D in the class...

I made a med error as a new grad RN and reported it...

Hmmmm

Not that I agree w/ Reebok at all, but just because you cheat on a test, it does NOT make you a bad nurse (or person for that matter)...

Specializes in none yet, but I'm VERY excited!.

THAT is the problem with American folks...

EASY with the "American folks" comments there. I don't know where the land of the blue is, but I do know this. Americans come from all over and we're all very different. I'm a proud American who respects other cultures and I have helped (and been helped by) many Americans. In many cases it cost me a ton of time and effort and resources and in many cases those who helped me expended much of the same.

I'm pretty sure you didn't mean all Americans and I'm okay with that, but it is still perhaps somewhat cavalier to say even the majority of Americans. Americans are some of the most generous people in the world and the data supports that.

In addition, there is a safety issue involved here. There are those who have faked accidents to rob, murder, rape, or what-have-you. Many people are well aware of this and many of them have children who depend on them for their well-being. Lots of those people (including me) figure it's not worth the risk to their children to help a stranger. I stopped stopping when I got married and had children. I'll call for help for people, or ask if they need it (from a distance).

Anyway, not trying to be confrontational here. I just wanted to point out that you may have been a little hasty and perhaps did not represent yourself the way you intended.

I think she meant to say "That's what's wrong w/ America, folks"

That's the sense I got from the post...

Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.

LOL , I agree cause if he is dropping fully aware he is doing it then I consider it a donation.

Um, could you share the name and address of the school, and is this particular Dean still randomly dropping $100 bills around campus?:p
Specializes in none yet, but I'm VERY excited!.
I think she meant to say "That's what's wrong w/ America, folks"

That's the sense I got from the post...

Could be, but my comments still stand. As I said, I give her every benefit of the doubt with respect to how she meant to represent herself. The point is that there are legitemate reasons for not stopping to help someone. Also, there are lots of problems in lots of countries and we don't know what they'd be like if they were in America's position. Finally, I think there is a lot right in America today too.

And add my name to the list of folks who didn't have it so good growing up, but still made the right choice.

When my mother finally threw my worthless, abusive father out, we were 7 months behind with the mortgage and she made about $7k that year.

It's a common behavior studied by sociologists for years...

Group contagion and diffusion of responsibility...

I watched a guy beat his girlfriend once, years ago...I did nothing...I was afraid he might pull out a gun...there were others there as well. I likely figured someone else would step in (diffusion of responsibility)

Specializes in Med-Surg.
It's a common behavior studied by sociologists for years...

Group contagion and diffusion of responsibility...

I watched a guy beat his girlfriend once, years ago...I did nothing...I was afraid he might pull out a gun...there were others there as well. I likely figured someone else would step in (diffusion of responsibility)

Being an abused spouse myself, way back in the day, I told myself I would always help anyone I saw being abused. I stepped in one time to help out a woman at a strip mall who was being beaten by her biker boyfriend. Not only did her boyfriend threaten me to beat me, but so did the woman! Needless to say, I was out of there fast.

Even police officers are afraid of domestic violence situations. I will never step in again, but I will call the police. At least, they're trained to try and defend themselves in those types of situations.

If you'll permit me Reebok, I think I have something you haven't heard here, which might even make it worth your while to add one more post. If you don't post, I'll have to assume that I have a valid point (because I strongly suspect that it'll be very difficult for you to avoid reading my addition to the thread).

I agree with your assertion that cheating on one prereq test does not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the cheater would be a bad nurse. They could "come to Jesus" so to speak at some point and be better for it. I know that some trucking companies would rather have a driver with one old ticket than a driver with no tickets.

I also understand your point about how reporting the cheater could be a waste of time and that they should be weeded out in the future.

However, I have a thesis that I'd challenge you to dismantel.

There are lots of people competing for the program.

Question: Who should get in to the last available slots? The cheaters or the students who made the grade without cheating? Sure it's possible that the cheaters would make better nurses, but it's also possible that those who made the grade without cheating would make better nurses.

So if we don't consider who would make a better nurse, we could look at who would be more likely to survive the program. If the cheaters beat the students who earned good grades (but not as good as those of the cheaters), then aren't they bumping more deserving candidates from the program (or at the very least, delaying them)?

You say that the nursin program will weed these folks out, but perhaps not before they blow it for someone else who is more likely to succeed. On the strength of this reality, I submit that it is worthwhile to turn the cheaters in.

You, yourself said that cheating should not be condoned no matter what the circumstances.

You also said that nursing school would weed out the cheaters.

It is on the strength of these two statements that I make my case.

(also, I was wondering if you have considered a career as a trial defense attorney, or perhaps a divorce lawyer)?

I meant to put that nursing school would weed out Habitual cheaters.

Now that you've changed the whole argument around I am going to have to think harder. Let's see, we're not dealing with ethics but survival of the program. I guess I can just pick my face up off the floor or get my foot out of my mouth. This takes me back to my 1rst post. What was her motive for reporting the cheaters? She was jealous and tried to hide that emotion by using ethics as an excuse to seem chilvary-like.

Bare with me b/c I think differently. This argument may never hold up in the court of law but this is what I believe.

Who should get into the last available slots?

atheist: Who ever is lucky enough to get chosen?

Christian: (that's me) Whom ever has God's favor>

This is how I see things? If you are doing your part God will acknowledge that and therefore you have nothing to worry about. If you have a close relationship w/ God &studied but still didn't get in. It's for your good. That means it wasn't your time, something bad could have happened, God has something else planned for your life,etc.

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