Ethical/moral issue

Nurses General Nursing

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Background:

Patient is inpatient in an acute care facility due to dialysis non-compliance. Patient had to have security called during admission due to behavior. Patient is verbally abusive to staff and threatens lawsuits any time he doesn't get his way. Patient is to be discharged but claims he will file a lawsuit if discharged without a perm cath for dialysis, he says it hurts when they dialysis through a newly matured fistula. Doctors schedule the placement for the following evening, with orders for him to dialyze and be discharged.

Orders are carried out, patient discharge is completed within 15 minutes of returning to floor. Patient gets ready to go, taxi is called. Patient calls out that he needs his nurse, nurse responds and patient states that he can't leave because no one is at the house he stays at and he won't just sit out in the cold all night.

This is actually quite common in our facility, patients are discharged and we even pay for their cab home but then they refuse to leave. Typically, the patient is put in the cab and sent on their way, even if it is to a homeless shelter. Sometimes security has to be called to escort the patient to the cab.

There are a few things that make this a more ethical dilemma. The discharge is at 2200 on a very cold night. The patient is blind. Patient has been walking up and down the hall on his own and going outside to smoke. Patient is receiving IV pain medication and gets very upset when it is not given when he asks for it, even after being told that he can have it at 00:00.

Do you ask the doctor to allow the patient to stay another night even though there is no medical necessity? If so, do you put stipulations such as no IV pain medication?

Do you call the cab and send him on his way to wherever he wants to go?

Do you call security to escort him to the cab?

Specializes in LTC Rehab Med/Surg.

We would have sent him on his way. Probably kicking and screaming.

Discharge = exit the hospital.

I can see where liability could be an issue.

Personal responsibility is underrated in this country.

Specializes in PICU, NICU, L&D, Public Health, Hospice.
This wasn't a failure of discharge planners, social work, case management, ANYBODY at the hospital. This was a grown man who knew he was going home and doesn't realize until he's leaving that he doesn't have a way into the house? And this is the hospital's problem?

This "realization" at the point of discharge was manipulation to spend another night in the hospital, plain and simple.

I locked myself out of my house. Realized at WalMart. WalMart didn't put me up in a hotel overnight, I had to figure out how to get into my house. Because that's what you do when you're an adult.

With due respect wooh, and I do respect your opinions...

Getting locked out is different from getting discharged from the hospital, I know that you know that and that you made a good point, but...

in general to the thread...

I know these patients are difficult, demanding people (my mother was one of them for quite some time before she died), but they are sick, chronically, and many of them do not cope "well". It is our job to advocate for them and care for them with unconditional regard no matter how unloveable or down right mean they are.

good discussion.

Specializes in Emergency/Cath Lab.
Background:

Patient is inpatient in an acute care facility due to dialysis non-compliance. Patient had to have security called during admission due to behavior. Patient is verbally abusive to staff and threatens lawsuits any time he doesn't get his way.

Do you call the cab and send him on his way to wherever he wants to go?

Do you call security to escort him to the cab?

**** him. I hate that we have to deal with *******s like this that dont take care of themselves, then expect the world in return for whatever their woes are. Im sorry but the second you stop taking care of yourself, you lose the right to complain.

Forget the security, call police. have him arrested for trespassing and enjoy a vacation from him for awhile.

Glad you didn't get written up. Sounds like a terrible experience. Would have been nice for the charge to step in and handle the admission or discharge. Sometimes when you are right in the middle of a bad situation, its hard to see options. Best of luck to you, you sound like you will be a great nurse.

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant.
I locked myself out of my house. Realized at WalMart. WalMart didn't put me up in a hotel overnight, I had to figure out how to get into my house. Because that's what you do when you're an adult.

But WalMart does not have to worry about Press Gainey. :wacky:

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