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  1. by   pickledpepperRN
    Bless you ingelein. You deserve the finest care. I believe everyone does but especially a nurse who has cared for countless patients and raised successful children who love you.

    I know I am not truly free when Gods children are dying for lack of care. Not saying I have the answer but as a compassionate civilized people we need to work on it.

    Fact Sheet: Giving Uninsured Working Families Access to Affordable Health Care
    Press Release - Increasing Ranks of Uninsured Working Families Highlights Need for AHPs, Access to Quality Health Care, Republican Leaders Say
  2. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from spacenurse
    Bless you ingelein. You deserve the finest care. I believe everyone does but especially a nurse who has cared for countless patients and raised successful children who love you.

    I know I am not truly free when Gods children are dying for lack of care. Not saying I have the answer but as a compassionate civilized people we need to work on it.

    Fact Sheet: Giving Uninsured Working Families Access to Affordable Health Care
    Press Release - Increasing Ranks of Uninsured Working Families Highlights Need for AHPs, Access to Quality Health Care, Republican Leaders Say
    Thanks so much Spacenurse,it means alot to me coming from my fellow nurses.
  3. by   outcomesfirst
    Ingelein, Thank you for sharing your story. I am so sorry for all your trouble! I will pray for you to regain your health and I hope you win your case. I was able to find the information about the organization (it was in a stack of AJN journals (June 2006). The organization is Nurses House and can be found at Nurses House: A National Fund for Nurses in Need - Home Page . Unfortunately, it is dedicated to RNs only ( a result of the original bequest in the 1920's that established the organization) they help RNs nation wide. I urge you to contact them with your situation, I am sure they will be able to guide you. In the mean time, please contact your local university or college. Find out who the dean of the school of nursing is and schedule an appointment with her - be patient, you may have to be flexible with time, or they may ask you to meet with an admission chair or professor. I say university because they have access to all kinds of resources to assist you to continue your education and profession - the key is to get in there, explain your situation and get the help you need. You must continue your education and get your RN, you are far too valuable a resource to lose. You are still a young woman with the power to succeed beyond your dreams! There are many roles begging for your experience and knowledge that will be less physically demanding, where you can make a positive contribution and be rewarded for your efforts! :icon_hug:
    Isn't it ironic, if there was universal health care, you might already be on the road to recovery? Hang in there, you can get past these troubles. God Bless!
  4. by   talaxandra
    Quote from CRNAorBust
    No matter what this law entails in its details our government is way out of line . We've been bordering on Socialism for a long long time. The common good is not the RIGHT good. When will people realize that you can't do all things for all people. Many people have to do the right things for THEMSELVES. And if they can't and someone can lend them a hand then fine. But once the government starts dictating who when and how those who can't help themselves should be helped that's a HUGE loss of FREEDOM. Helping others at the cost of personal choice is NOT what our founding fathers had in mind.
    1) I still don't understand how improving the common good disadvantages anyone. As previously discussed, with a government-funded system, the per capita use is less while more poeple are covered.
    2) As those if us who have lived with a government-funded sytem have said before, this doesn't equate to the government "dictating who when and how those who can't help themselves should be helped." Those who choose to do so can still have private coverage or choose to pay extra and "go private" for specific procedures etc. And I'm guessing that people who currently have substandard, or even no health care won't feel their rights have been abridged.
  5. by   Fuzzy
    I still wonder how many people would have medical coverage if their workplace didn't provide them with some kind of policy. I wonder what would happen if our congress people, president, teachers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, and others had to get their insurance from private sources that isn't a perk of their employment, in another words no group plans. I wonder if we would have more people who could get medical care or less. I wonder if medical care would be more available and affordable to people if the government, the insurance companies, and the lawyers had absolutely no stake in medical care. I know I'm full of wonder.

    Fuzzy
  6. by   zacarias
    I haven't read all the posts but to me it is simple:

    Is it better to live in a country where you have the best specialists, technology, and care for some people and where millions of others go without?

    Or is it better to live in a country where the world's best cardiac surgeon may not live or there may not be 64-slice CT scanners all over the place but EVERYONE is cared for. It may not be as fast as what many of us in the US are used to and often demand, but it is better IMO.
  7. by   blueyesue
    Put our government in charge of dealing with Iraq, and they're a failure.
    Put our government in charge of the war on drugs, and they're a failure.
    Put our government in charge of the war on poverty, and they're a failure.
    Put our government in charge of helping hurricane victims, and they're a failure.
    Put our government in charge of securing our borders, and they're a failure.

    How is putting the government in charge of healthcare going to be any different?
  8. by   GardenDove
    Sorry, but our government is hardly a failure. We are a successful country with excellent infrastructure. We hand power over every 4 years peacefully, our senetors and representatives behave themselves more decoriously than Members of Parliment. We do many things right and I'm thankful to live in America.
  9. by   blueyesue
    Quote from GardenDove
    Sorry, but our government is hardly a failure. We are a successful country with excellent infrastructure. We hand power over every 4 years peacefully, our senetors and representatives behave themselves more decoriously than Members of Parliment. We do many things right and I'm thankful to live in America.
    Oh, please don't get me wrong. I to am grateful to be here. Our country is great. America's private enterprise, military, its citizens etc. are what makes it an amazing place to live.

    That doesn't change the fact that the government is over bloated. If we trimmed it down it would be much more effective.

    Do you disagree with those posted statements? If so, which ones, and how will their control of healthcare be different?
  10. by   JeanettePNP
    EJM, I think the common denominator of the scenarios you've mentioned is lack of clarity of vision. We're just not sure exactly what we want to do or how it should be done, so things keep getting mucked up... simply because there are no clearly defined goals. I think universal healthcare could wind up in a similar mess, which is why it won't work unless there's a huge consensus in this country about exactly what we want, and what we're willing to give up in order to get it. Naturally people who already have good coverage from work don't want to even think of giving up any of the conveniences that they have, whether that means slightly longer wait times etc. OTOH the people who are hardworking but uninsured simply can't catapult themselves out of the mess... What can they do? Work longer hours? Go back to school? What if they already have degrees but can't find work in their field, or if the only work they can get is contracting that offers no benefits? It really sucks to be one of the uninsured, and it doesn't take that much for you to end up one of them. When we all realize how little it would take for us to wind up in that boat it might be easier to build consensus for universal health coverage in this country.
    Last edit by JeanettePNP on Dec 24, '06
  11. by   S.T.A.C.E.Y
    ChayaN! Thankyou! You have managed to put into words the thoughts I could not gather. I agree with you 100%.
  12. by   Fuzzy
    Quote from ChayaN
    EJM, I think the common denominator of the scenarios you've mentioned is lack of clarity of vision. We're just not sure exactly what we want to do or how it should be done, so things keep getting mucked up... simply because there are no clearly defined goals. I think universal healthcare could wind up in a similar mess, which is why it won't work unless there's a huge consensus in this country about exactly what we want, and what we're willing to give up in order to get it. Naturally people who already have good coverage from work don't want to even think of giving up any of the conveniences that they have, whether that means slightly longer wait times etc. OTOH the people who are hardworking but uninsured simply can't catapult themselves out of the mess... What can they do? Work longer hours? Go back to school? What if they already have degrees but can't find work in their field, or if the only work they can get is contracting that offers no benefits? It really sucks to be one of the uninsured, and it doesn't take that much for you to end up one of them. When we all realize how little it would take for us to wind up in that boat it might be easier to build consensus for universal health coverage in this country.
    :yeahthat:

    True, I know that I would have a different outlook on the whole thing if I could get insurance or affordable healthcare. I love my job but it's in an industry that doesn't make much money (veterinary medicine) although consumers seem to think so. I have pre-existing conditions so I cannot find an affordable policy. All I want is a no frills catatrophic policy so I can use a MSA. In fact, I have my own personal savings account but it would never pay if I was dx with cancer, had a heart attack, or have a severe accident. It does pay for doctors visits, prescriptions, and some testing. I have considered changing my career to nursing several times just to get some necessary health coverage. I would only have to take a few more classes to get considered for nursing school. I already have an aunt and several cousins who are already working in the field. However from talking to them and reading these boards and others---nursing (please take no offense to this statement) sounds like a snake pit profession where professional people are treated badly by their peers and their employers. When sick people are added to the mix than I can see alot of unneeded stress. Working with animals and their people are hard enough somedays and I have a wonderful peer support group at work. So I will continue to work uninsured in the veterinary profession and hope for the best.

    Fuzzy
  13. by   GardenDove
    Quote from ChayaN
    EJM, I think the common denominator of the scenarios you've mentioned is lack of clarity of vision. We're just not sure exactly what we want to do or how it should be done, so things keep getting mucked up... simply because there are no clearly defined goals. I think universal healthcare could wind up in a similar mess, which is why it won't work unless there's a huge consensus in this country about exactly what we want, and what we're willing to give up in order to get it. Naturally people who already have good coverage from work don't want to even think of giving up any of the conveniences that they have, whether that means slightly longer wait times etc. OTOH the people who are hardworking but uninsured simply can't catapult themselves out of the mess... What can they do? Work longer hours? Go back to school? What if they already have degrees but can't find work in their field, or if the only work they can get is contracting that offers no benefits? It really sucks to be one of the uninsured, and it doesn't take that much for you to end up one of them. When we all realize how little it would take for us to wind up in that boat it might be easier to build consensus for universal health coverage in this country.

    YOu need to run for office, Chaya, well said!

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