"Diploma Nurse preferable"

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I've seen this is 2 adds in the newspaper, looking for nurses in management positions. "Diploma nurse preferabel". Any one else seen this?

Specializes in cardiac.
I went to a Diploma program in the late 70's. We had lots of clinicals from the first semester all the way through. Most weeks we spend 50% of our days on the units and the other 50 in class. I remember the instructors telling us (at the time) that Degree nurses (BSN's specifically) were only getting a couple of half days a week clinical in their senior year. They were coming out scared and hesitant on the units with no people skills. But that was then and I don't know anything about what happens now. Are there still diploma schools around? (really, no flaming. I am simply stating what I heard in the late 70's)

Diploma schools are still around. Few and far between. I graduated from one 3 years ago in St. Louis, MO. Only one left in that state. Had no problem getting a job at all. My friend, who bridged in as an LPN,(now a RN) is in management at her hospital. She works side by side with 2 BSN RN's and runs circles around them. LOL... Now, this is not to say that all BSN RN's are like this, I'm only talking about these select 2. No generalization here.

We got two full clinical days at the hospital every week. Learned a lot and enjoyed my clinicals more so than the actual classroom. We were free to do as much as we wanted at clinicals as long a s the instructor was there to supervise. May be that's the difference with the different type of schooling? I don't know...I'm glad I'm a diploma nurse though. It's different and I like that aspect of it.

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Ok , I called the places with this in the add. I actually know one of the managers. She said Diploma nurses are better prepared. She has found that over the years diploma nurses are better suited for these positions. Wow , that's a switch.

Do you have a link? I find this hard to believe.

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Specializes in cardiac.
Nursing practice is better in third world countries, in comparison here in the United States, nursing students here just dont get the hands-on they need coz students are already liable for there actions and nursing instructors doesnt want to loose their license from a mistake a student made, so no wonder nursing here in the US isnt that impressive as it is. I am a nurse in the Philippines and I had studied as a nursing student here in the United States too, so I know what I am talking about, and base on experience as a nursing student in both countries.

Interesting....... how does nursing practice in the Phillipines differ from the US? Just curious.:rolleyes:

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Specializes in L&D.
Do you have a link? I find this hard to believe.

Ditto. In fact, I'd be willing to bet this post was made to argue the diploma/adn/BSN. I would SO love to see a copy of the add so that I could call them myself. lol!

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Specializes in SNF.

I HAVE HEARD DIPLOMA NURSING STUDENTS GET SOOO MUCH MORE CLINICAL....WHY ARE PEOPLE TAKING OFFENSE TO IT....IT IS POSSIBLE!!!

tHE DIPLOMA SCHOOL NEAR ME YOU HAVE CLINICAL EVERY OTHER WEEKEND, 7-7, NO SUMMER BREAKS...

ADN PROGRAM, YOU GET 1 DAY A WEEK,SHORT SEMESTERS....

I AM JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS?

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Specializes in L&D.
I HAVE HEARD DIPLOMA NURSING STUDENTS GET SOOO MUCH MORE CLINICAL....WHY ARE PEOPLE TAKING OFFENSE TO IT....IT IS POSSIBLE!!!

tHE DIPLOMA SCHOOL NEAR ME YOU HAVE CLINICAL EVERY OTHER WEEKEND, 7-7, NO SUMMER BREAKS...

ADN PROGRAM, YOU GET 1 DAY A WEEK,SHORT SEMESTERS....

I AM JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS?

Stop yelling! So, diploma nurses get a lot of clinical. Doesn't mean they are well prepared for management....

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I am doing a PN diploma program now while I finish up the prereq's for my RN degree. One of the reasons I'm doing it this way is because as a PN student I am getting almost 3 times the clinical hours that the CC's and Uni's get. Personally, I want all of the experience that I can get. The school that I go to is hospital based and the Co owns almost every hospital in town. (We have a bunch of hospitals here) Not only do we get the clinical training, we are trained to do things the way these hospitals require things to be done. That could be one reason that some areas would rather have diploma nurses working for them, they already know the ropes. Why train someone when you don't really have to. We get management trainig too. I plan to continue towards an ADN or BSN regardless. There will come a time when you have to have that degree, most likely BSN to even do bedside nursing. I hope that this doesn't become another blah vs blah thread because lets face it. None of us learn it all in school. That take times and experience, a lot of it!

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Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.
Stop yelling! So, diploma nurses get a lot of clinical. Doesn't mean they are well prepared for management....

It also doesn't mean that they are not prepared for management either. Its up to the INDIVIDUAL not the degree. Anyone can argue that they wouldn't put a diploma, ADN, or BSN nurse into management because the way they act, they can argue that they would too. It's up to the individual not the degree. Degree helps with advancement, there is no arguement there. Many people think cause you have a diploma your not that great compared to a BSN cause they have a bachelors. It's how you act as a nurse that distinguishes you, your work ethic not how many letters you can fit behind your name.

I am no way trying to start an arguement on who's better diploma, ADN or BSN. There all good, but the option is out there for the INDIVIDUAL to choose their program. Some people wouldn't be able to afford the Diploma school I applied to since its over 11,000 a yr, but can afford the local CC. Just as some can not afford a Private college or Uni, compared to state run college or Uni.

It's also up to the individual to advance if they so CHOOSE to. Many ADN and diploma nurses are trying to achieve BSN and further. There are some who are just satisfied with being an RN (which each degree provides). There are RN-MSN programs and RN-BSN programs. When that ADN or diploma nurse suddenly gets a BSN/MSN will you then be like oh I guess their better for management now? How have they changed 1 to 2 yrs later from going to school online or taking 1 to 2 classes? Did the degree make the person or was the person already at that level to begin with but you did not see because you thought less of the person?

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It also doesn't mean that they are not prepared for management either. Its up to the INDIVIDUAL not the degree. Anyone can argue that they wouldn't put a diploma, ADN, or BSN nurse into management because the way they act, they can argue that they would too. It's up to the individual not the degree. Degree helps with advancement, there is not arguement there. Many people think cause you have a diploma your not that great compared to a BSN cause they have a bachelors. It's how you act as a nurse that distinguishes you, your work ethic not how many letters you can fit behind your name.

:yeahthat:

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Specializes in Junior Year of BSN.
How was the exam? Was it really hard?

Kiki0617

No not extremely hard just felt nervous. I'm not used to not using a calculator on math tests so that was a little frustating but I got used to it. You will do fine think POSITIVE. No matter what happens you can retake the test, so do not think you flunked. You will have another chance, but think positively and you will be fine.

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I am currently in a diploma nursing program, and I have to say, we get a ton of clinical experience beginning the second week of school. To begin my program you have to have all pre-req's done. It is a 16 month accelerated program. It is extremly organized and structured. I am happy that I chose my school. My instructors are wonderful.

With that said, I find it absolutely necessary to continue my education after I graduate. I want to obtain my BSN and eventually attend graduate school. Like someone else said, one day they may make it necessary for all RN's to be BSN. But, from the way I understand it, they would still allow you to work with ADN or diploma if you were already an RN. They would require new grads to be BSN, or possibly give a time frame for RN's to obtain BSN.

I don't think that having BSN, diploma, ADN or whatever makes you a better or worse nurse. It depends on the person. In other words.....don't judge a nurse by their degree.

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Specializes in cardiac.

I have to agree with Cherish, it's not the degree, it's the person who is right for the job. We have all worked with great ADN RN's, BSN RN's and Diploma RN's.

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