"Diploma Nurse preferable" - page 3

I've seen this is 2 adds in the newspaper, looking for nurses in management positions. "Diploma nurse preferabel". Any one else seen this?... Read More

  1. by   mamason
    Quote from prchater
    Nursing practice is better in third world countries, in comparison here in the United States, nursing students here just dont get the hands-on they need coz students are already liable for there actions and nursing instructors doesnt want to loose their license from a mistake a student made, so no wonder nursing here in the US isnt that impressive as it is. I am a nurse in the Philippines and I had studied as a nursing student here in the United States too, so I know what I am talking about, and base on experience as a nursing student in both countries.
    Interesting....... how does nursing practice in the Phillipines differ from the US? Just curious.
  2. by   jenrninmi
    Quote from ajaxgirl
    Do you have a link? I find this hard to believe.
    Ditto. In fact, I'd be willing to bet this post was made to argue the diploma/adn/BSN. I would SO love to see a copy of the add so that I could call them myself. lol!
    Last edit by jenrninmi on Jan 11, '07
  3. by   LisaJ_RN
    I HAVE HEARD DIPLOMA NURSING STUDENTS GET SOOO MUCH MORE CLINICAL....WHY ARE PEOPLE TAKING OFFENSE TO IT....IT IS POSSIBLE!!!

    tHE DIPLOMA SCHOOL NEAR ME YOU HAVE CLINICAL EVERY OTHER WEEKEND, 7-7, NO SUMMER BREAKS...

    ADN PROGRAM, YOU GET 1 DAY A WEEK,SHORT SEMESTERS....

    I AM JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS?
  4. by   jenrninmi
    Quote from wettybauer99
    I HAVE HEARD DIPLOMA NURSING STUDENTS GET SOOO MUCH MORE CLINICAL....WHY ARE PEOPLE TAKING OFFENSE TO IT....IT IS POSSIBLE!!!

    tHE DIPLOMA SCHOOL NEAR ME YOU HAVE CLINICAL EVERY OTHER WEEKEND, 7-7, NO SUMMER BREAKS...

    ADN PROGRAM, YOU GET 1 DAY A WEEK,SHORT SEMESTERS....

    I AM JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS?
    Stop yelling! So, diploma nurses get a lot of clinical. Doesn't mean they are well prepared for management....
  5. by   Princess74
    I am doing a PN diploma program now while I finish up the prereq's for my RN degree. One of the reasons I'm doing it this way is because as a PN student I am getting almost 3 times the clinical hours that the CC's and Uni's get. Personally, I want all of the experience that I can get. The school that I go to is hospital based and the Co owns almost every hospital in town. (We have a bunch of hospitals here) Not only do we get the clinical training, we are trained to do things the way these hospitals require things to be done. That could be one reason that some areas would rather have diploma nurses working for them, they already know the ropes. Why train someone when you don't really have to. We get management trainig too. I plan to continue towards an ADN or BSN regardless. There will come a time when you have to have that degree, most likely BSN to even do bedside nursing. I hope that this doesn't become another blah vs blah thread because lets face it. None of us learn it all in school. That take times and experience, a lot of it!
    Last edit by Princess74 on Jan 11, '07
  6. by   Cherish
    Quote from jenrninmi
    Stop yelling! So, diploma nurses get a lot of clinical. Doesn't mean they are well prepared for management....
    It also doesn't mean that they are not prepared for management either. Its up to the INDIVIDUAL not the degree. Anyone can argue that they wouldn't put a diploma, ADN, or BSN nurse into management because the way they act, they can argue that they would too. It's up to the individual not the degree. Degree helps with advancement, there is no arguement there. Many people think cause you have a diploma your not that great compared to a BSN cause they have a bachelors. It's how you act as a nurse that distinguishes you, your work ethic not how many letters you can fit behind your name.

    I am no way trying to start an arguement on who's better diploma, ADN or BSN. There all good, but the option is out there for the INDIVIDUAL to choose their program. Some people wouldn't be able to afford the Diploma school I applied to since its over 11,000 a yr, but can afford the local CC. Just as some can not afford a Private college or Uni, compared to state run college or Uni.

    It's also up to the individual to advance if they so CHOOSE to. Many ADN and diploma nurses are trying to achieve BSN and further. There are some who are just satisfied with being an RN (which each degree provides). There are RN-MSN programs and RN-BSN programs. When that ADN or diploma nurse suddenly gets a BSN/MSN will you then be like oh I guess their better for management now? How have they changed 1 to 2 yrs later from going to school online or taking 1 to 2 classes? Did the degree make the person or was the person already at that level to begin with but you did not see because you thought less of the person?
    Last edit by Cherish on Jan 11, '07
  7. by   Princess74
    Quote from Cherish
    It also doesn't mean that they are not prepared for management either. Its up to the INDIVIDUAL not the degree. Anyone can argue that they wouldn't put a diploma, ADN, or BSN nurse into management because the way they act, they can argue that they would too. It's up to the individual not the degree. Degree helps with advancement, there is not arguement there. Many people think cause you have a diploma your not that great compared to a BSN cause they have a bachelors. It's how you act as a nurse that distinguishes you, your work ethic not how many letters you can fit behind your name.
    :yeahthat:
  8. by   Cherish
    Quote from kiki0617
    How was the exam? Was it really hard?

    Kiki0617
    No not extremely hard just felt nervous. I'm not used to not using a calculator on math tests so that was a little frustating but I got used to it. You will do fine think POSITIVE. No matter what happens you can retake the test, so do not think you flunked. You will have another chance, but think positively and you will be fine.
  9. by   nursecher
    I am currently in a diploma nursing program, and I have to say, we get a ton of clinical experience beginning the second week of school. To begin my program you have to have all pre-req's done. It is a 16 month accelerated program. It is extremly organized and structured. I am happy that I chose my school. My instructors are wonderful.
    With that said, I find it absolutely necessary to continue my education after I graduate. I want to obtain my BSN and eventually attend graduate school. Like someone else said, one day they may make it necessary for all RN's to be BSN. But, from the way I understand it, they would still allow you to work with ADN or diploma if you were already an RN. They would require new grads to be BSN, or possibly give a time frame for RN's to obtain BSN.
    I don't think that having BSN, diploma, ADN or whatever makes you a better or worse nurse. It depends on the person. In other words.....don't judge a nurse by their degree.
  10. by   mamason
    I have to agree with Cherish, it's not the degree, it's the person who is right for the job. We have all worked with great ADN RN's, BSN RN's and Diploma RN's.
  11. by   Snowshooz
    Speaking as a Diploma graduate from the 70's

    Our program prepared us for literally ANYTHING! We had 3 month rotations , clinical everyday in OR, OB, Med Surg/ICU (6mos med surg) Psych/Community etc etc etc...
    It was an awesome education. When I graduated I felt very confident going into any situation.
    I ended up eventually going into the OR and never looked back..Its been wonderful! I truly felt bad and still too feel bad for some BSN prepared nurses at times..they lack confidence, skills, and at times critical thinking skills. It would truly would be beneficial to increase clinical time during their programs.
    True, they have that BSN to show, but I have yet to see one outshine a Diploma grad in any area ( speaking 30 years experience here)...I don't mean to start a FLAME here but I think the programs could better prepare them...
  12. by   fbmom
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    I agree with 'Snowshooz'. Being a diploma grad from the 70's I could not top my nursing education. Upon graduation, we were fairly confident in all nursing areas.
    My clinical experience was unbelievable and prepared me to enter the big wide world as a GN. My first job didn't have an 8-12 WEEK orientation, it wasn't needed back in the day,
    Worked with BSN's who have never seen a delivery or surgery and can quote you the textbook treatments, but I got to do these treatments as a student!!!
    Nursing schools today need to bring back MORE clinicals, so the newbies will lose that 'deer in headlights' look and be more confident in the 'actual' practice of nursing
  13. by   LisaJ_RN
    SORRY
    was not yelling...

    anyway I will be proud to be an RN:spin:

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