**nurses Who Eat Their Young Should Be Kicked To The Curb*** - page 3

We are in the realm of evidence based practice where nursing "traditions' have little value. This should translate over to the tradition of nurses who eat their young. We've all met them..usually... Read More

  1. by   burn out
    Personally I find this posters comments an insult to me and all other middle age nurses who are doing nother more than trying to survive this world ourselves. If she is looking for respect I suggest she start giving it because in this world you get what you give. Being almost 50 years old and working in the field since the time she probably was born I have worked long hard hours to earn the respect that I have from my coworkers, managers, and doctors, and to have her insulting remarks describing me as a middle age, "sloven" individual goes beyond tolerance. No matter what her age, no matter new nurse/old nurse if you were on my unit and treated older people this way you wouldn't need to be eaten, you would be left alone to self destruct.

    Personally, if anyone talked on the board about a religion or race like this it would not be tolerated and I think it is disrespectable to allow older nurses to be referred in such a manner without anything substantial to back it up. If this is true of older nurses then give me proof otherwise shut up and quit insulting people who work hard to survive the job market and are the first ones the younger ones come running to when they don't know what to do when their patients go bad, or better yet when they don't know when to call the doctor so they won't be yelled at.

    Suzishunshine if you want to make nursing a better place I suggest you start with the person that looks back at you in the mirror.

    I think it was time this thread was closed and any other thread that shows this much disrespect for their own older members.
    Last edit by burn out on Mar 26, '07
  2. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from suziesunshine
    My original thread was closed for whatever reason. I have been in the profession for over twenty years and I've met middle aged nurses or NP's who enjoys humiliating new nurses, orientees or students. Tell me, what other professional does this out of "tradition"?....answer...NONE.

    MBA's don't insult their interns or orientees. Engineers are not put through a "right of passage" by middle aged women with very little else in their lives but their jobs.

    In the land of evidence based practice, nursing research and emphasis on professionalism..this has to go. If you are a new grad, a new orientee or whatever and you are humiliated, being treated rudely or maligned, then go to administration. Don't take that nonsense.

    We will never be recognized as professinals unless this behavior stops.
    First off, the "nurses eat their young" phrase is a urine-poor excuse for urine-poor behavior.

    Secondly, saying "Engineers are not put through a "right of passage" by middle aged women with very little else in their lives but their jobs. " is no less insulting than any other urine-poor behavior, not to MENTION it's a good example of what not to say. Seems pretty hypocritical actually, that the OP is talking about people who are mean, yet, well, lol.

    Third, be the change you want to see.
  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Respect is a two-way street. Give some if you want some.

    I agree with the poster who said maybe you need to take a look in the mirror if you feel so disrespected by so many. Sometimes, the reasons why are within your control.

    Good luck to you.
  4. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from medsurgnurse
    Your characterization of nurses who are "middle-aged, slovenly appearanced and without a signifcant other" was prejudicial and offensive. Since you feel that you are repeatedly assaulted by these middle-aged slovenly people maybe you need to look within yourself to see why.
    And i agree with this as well. If someone thought those things about me, i highly doubt that i would speak to that person except only when i had to.

    Yet i'm sure i'd be accused of being a nurse-nosher.
    Last edit by Marie_LPN, RN on Mar 26, '07
  5. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    That many nurses "eat their young" my be a stereotype but, sadly to say, it's an earned one.
    Sorry, i just think that's a load of crap.
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Also before you run to Administration with your complaints:

    You may want to help yourself a bit first. Maybe you could read some books about self-assertion and/or go to assertiveness training classes. It's amazing how you can change your environment and the way others treat you by being assertive, not defensive or angry. I learned all about this in the military, where you get the Mother of all "rites of passage" (try being one of 3 females in an aircraft engine repair shop of about 150 men!!!). Having a really good sense of self and humor got me through and I even came to enjoy my work there. Nursing has been similar, but really a cakewalk next to that environment for me!

    Life is too short to be all angry and defensive and hate a whole group for a few people who may have mistreated you. Try changing your thoughts to change your life, like one wise member here has said.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Mar 26, '07
  7. by   SmilingBluEyes
    www.bullyonline.org

    if you really want some help with true bullying/mobbing at the workplace.

    Also recommend self-assertiveness training/classes and books. The difference you make can be a matter of attitude.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    PS: a resource for you if bullying is a problem in the workplace (lots of advice as to what to do about it and solve this problem):

    www.bullyonline.org

    good luck.
  9. by   Peepsaretasty
    Quote from suziesunshine
    Tell me, what other professional does this out of "tradition"?....answer...NONE.
    1) Medicine (MD/DO)
    2) Veterinary Medicine (DVM/VMD/BVMS)
    3) Veterinary Technology (CVT/LVT/RVT)
    4) State Dept. of Transportation (Highway Depts)
    5) US Armed Forces (Army/Navy Aviation)
    6) Law Enforcement (Police/Sheriff/FBI)


    Those are just the ones I have personal experience with. I know that some are trying to do away with this stereotype and I have to agree with the others that said nursing is not the only one.

    I think instead of ...vigorously discussing... the does/doesn't nursing fit, we should instead concentrate on what we can do to change the image over all.
    Last edit by Peepsaretasty on Mar 26, '07 : Reason: typos
  10. by   PANurseRN1
    I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE POSTING ABOUT THIS TIRED CLICHE. IT IS POISONOUS, DISRESPECTFUL, AND MOSTLY UNTRUE. IT NEEDS TO STOP. (And yes, I meant each and every capital letter in that post.)
  11. by   justme1972
    Quote from suziesunshine
    My original thread was closed for whatever reason. I have been in the profession for over twenty years and I've met middle aged nurses or NP's who enjoys humiliating new nurses, orientees or students. Tell me, what other professional does this out of "tradition"?....answer...NONE.

    MBA's don't insult their interns or orientees. Engineers are not put through a "right of passage" by middle aged women with very little else in their lives but their jobs.

    In the land of evidence based practice, nursing research and emphasis on professionalism..this has to go. If you are a new grad, a new orientee or whatever and you are humiliated, being treated rudely or maligned, then go to administration. Don't take that nonsense.

    We will never be recognized as professinals unless this behavior stops.
    As a "middle-aged" woman...nurse or not...I can tell you first hand that people that are "middle-aged" have ALOT more going on in their life than their jobs.

    I sincerely hope you find the right road to lead you there...good luck.
  12. by   Tweety
    I merged the three current threads about this topic. I surrender to the will of the people, that despite the 13 similar topics I linked that we still need yet another thread about it.

    Yes, the behavior described needs to stop. We each have a personal responsiblity if it happens to us stop it then and there.

    I'm grateful that in my 16 year career I haven't seen it that much and it's never happened to me personally.

    Carry on.
    Last edit by Tweety on Mar 26, '07
  13. by   Tweety
    Quote from sandlewood_nurse
    Hello,

    Thank you for your response. I don't like stereotypes myself. I don't believe all experiened or even most experienced nurses eat their young. But it is part of "the culture" I have repeatedly been told. Thats not good enough for me, someone who is relatively new to nursing. In school we were taught to act as professionals, which I do.

    Really my concern is about talking opening about this issue, so that more nurses (including experienced nurses who don't like bieng stereotyped) will have confidence in standing up for themselves AND EACH OTHER!! Its nice when a nurse will come up and tell me quietly that another nurse behaved very badly towards me, and she sympathizes. Its another thing to stand up for each other and say thats not acceptable, this is a professional place of work and harassment of coworkers will not be tolerated, regardless of experience. It would be nice if they could say this and not feel threatened about their job, as I have been told by nurses who feel bad about how newer nurses, or other coworkers are treated in general.

    You are right, there are many posts on this already however, and I do urge people to look at those before making new posts.

    I hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
    No problem.

    Personally, it's not part of my nursing culture. However, I understand that it is for many people.

    Could we at least leave the agism out of it.

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