Petition to help new grads get experience - page 5

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In light of the struggles that new grads are having securing a job, this petition may be of interest to many of you. allnurses.com has nothing to do with this petition. We are not endorsing it at all. We are just sharing... Read More


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    Expecting any President to even see any petition on that web site (but... but... but it has the White House on it... just sayin'!), much less do anything with it, is hardly realistic. Take a look at the various petitions on that web site; some are destined for failure and some are downright funny.

    That web site is just a way to make some people think that somebody in DC cares. They are, alright... about getting elected (and re-elected) and keeping their political party in power. It reminds me of back in the 1990's when Mario Cuomo was running for office, and he asked (paraphrased), so what do you nurses want anyway?" The state nurses' group took that as Mario Cuomo's way of "caring" .

    As nurses, we need to stop serving as political pawns, and we need to stop worshiping the politicians that we hire to do a job. Elected officials are our employees - we pay their (inflated) salaries and need to view and treat them as such. They should worship the ground we walk on... not the other way around.
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    The nursing colleges in my area get 200 applicants each semester and only accept 40. Another has a 3 year waiting list.

    It's like this all around the country. You have to have a 4.0 to get in, great entry test scores, and even then you might not get in or wait 3 years.

    It's not as if they are pumping out as many graduates as are assumed. They are supplying as many graduates as they did in the past, but with cut throat competition to get in.

    I think there should be help for nursing grads in externship areas. At one nursing college it costs $1000. Before it was $500 and they raised it. Not everyone can afford to pay the increases in prices for externships/precepts.
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    Welcome to the world of most new grads. I do not support a petition either, since despite the media hype of a nursing shortage, there is just as much information on the global economic crisis out there. Unemployment has hit an all time high in general. People need to realize that nursing is not recession proof, and accept responsibility for their own decisions. What about the English, History and Business majors who, for years were notoriously struggling to gain employment, and still are? Is anyone considering a petition for these grads?
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    Quote from joanna73
    Welcome to the world of most new grads. I do not support a petition either, since despite the media hype of a nursing shortage, there is just as much information on the global economic crisis out there. Unemployment has hit an all time high in general. People need to realize that nursing is not recession proof, and accept responsibility for their own decisions. What about the English, History and Business majors who, for years were notoriously struggling to gain employment, and still are? Is anyone considering a petition for these grads?

    No one told them to "go to nursing school, you can get a great job and it pays well and you can help people!" by schools seeking profits.
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    Quote from JZ_RN

    No one told them to "go to nursing school, you can get a great job and it pays well and you can help people!" by schools seeking profits.
    It pays to do your own research...these schools are "telling them" AKA advertising...

    The semester before I graduated, everyone in my friends class were offered jobs, many immediately after their interviews. My semester was the first to graduate during the recession and many didn't get jobs or accepted the reality that starting out in a nursing home was in the cards for them. That was nearly FOUR years ago, new grads not getting jobs is not a new thing. It's been long enough that nurses that are graduating today, and even those from a year or two ago for ASN grads, that this problem was going on BEFORE they started nursing school...one trip to this website would have told them that.
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    Quote from mariahlily
    Nurses don't eat their young. They watch their young starve to death.
    What do you expect nurses to do? Give up their jobs for new grads? Drop to part-time so a new grad can take her/his other half? (This would never work by the way, the hospital doesn't want to pay for TWO benefited persons, TWO sets of workman's comp). Work extra shifts for free to train new grads?

    I have gotten several new grads hired by pushing them on management and really "selling them", but beyond that I can't force my hospital to hire new grads that cost money that the hospital DOESN'T HAVE.

    People are not insensitive for disagreeing with this petition, most simply don't believe it's the way.

    We are all at the mercy of this recession, many occupations are; it's not just nursing. Calling experienced nurses names isn't going to be what helps you, nor is signing a petition that is never going to even seen by the president...our problems always seem bigger because they are OUR problems...there are a lot of more important things the president SAID he was going to do that we are still waiting on, don't expect him to solve this one anytime soon. If you want this fixed your going to have to go through other channels...possibly that being yourself.

    Part of the issue I see with this problem is steaming from a large percentage of the graduates coming from the "participation trophy" generation. I spoke with a new grad last year who told me the woes of a "glowing" resume that I couldn't believe didn't get her a nursing job, especially since she was already working as an aid...months later I spoke with one of her teachers whom I am friends with and told her the sad story I heard...her reply "are you kidding me, XXXX was so lazy in class, she did the bare minimum in clinical and barely passed many of her classes"...I hate to say it, but just because you graduated from nursing school doesn't mean your going to get a job. I am not telling people to give up, just to give up the attitude of self entitlement.
    Last edit by HeartsOpenWide on Jan 12, '13
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    Quote from HeartsOpenWide
    It pays to do your own research...these schools are "telling them" AKA advertising...

    The semester before I graduated, everyone in my friends class were offered jobs, many immediately after their interviews. My semester was the first to graduate during the recession and many didn't get jobs or accepted the reality that starting out in a nursing home was in the cards for them. That was nearly FOUR years ago, new grads not getting jobs is not a new thing. It's been long enough that nurses that are graduating today, and even those from a year or two ago for ASN grads, that this problem was going on BEFORE they started nursing school...one trip to this website would have told them that.
    You ever stop to think maybe some people don't have internet access when they're brand new college students, struggling to pay bills on their own and pay tuition? I know I didn't.
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    [QUOTE=InfirmiereJolie;7114547]
    It's not as if they are pumping out as many graduates as are assumed. They are supplying as many graduates as they did in the past, but with cut throat competition to get in.
    QUOTE]

    In my area, there has been a dramatic increase in the number of RN graduates. New (mostly for-profit) schools have opened up in the last 5 years. These schools have very low standards for admission (except an outrageously high price tag) and are providing a sub-standard education. They teach people how to pass NCLEX, but not how to be a good nurse. They have limited access to the best clinical sites (which are already occupied by the traditional schools) -- and are hiring some very minimally-qualified instructors. My hospital almost never seriously considers hiring new grads from those schools. So yes, my region has a lot of new grads complaining that they can't get jobs -- and with little hope of getting an RN job in one of the "better" hospitals in the area.

    The better schools have either held their class sizes constant or increased them only slightly over the past few years -- because they don't want to expand their programs beyond the availability of high quality faculty members and clinical placements. We regularly hire new grads from those programs. Yes, they are competitive to get in ... and require a greater committment of time and effort from the student to complete. (But they are not more expensive.)
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    Quote from HeartsOpenWide
    What do you expect nurses to do? Give up their jobs for new grads? Drop to part-time so a new grad can take her/his other half? (This would never work by the way, the hospital doesn't want to pay for TWO benefited persons, TWO sets of workman's comp). Work extra shifts for free to train new grads?

    I have gotten several new grads hired by pushing them on management and really "selling them", but beyond that I can't force my hospital to hire new grads that cost money that the hospital DOESN'T HAVE.

    People are not insensitive for disagreeing with this petition, most simply don't believe it's the way.

    We are all at the mercy of this recession, many occupations are; it's not just nursing. Calling experienced nurses names isn't going to be what helps you, nor is signing a petition that is never going to even seen by the president...our problems always seem bigger because they are OUR problems...there are a lot of more important things the president SAID he was going to do that we are still waiting on, don't expect him to solve this one anytime soon. If you want this fixed your going to have to go through other channels...possibly that being yourself.

    Part of the issue I see with this problem is steaming from a large percentage of the graduates coming from the "participation trophy" generation. I spoke with a new grad last year who told me the woes of a "glowing" resume that I couldn't believe didn't get her a nursing job, especially since she was already working as an aid...months later I spoke with one of her teachers whom I am friends with and told her the sad story I heard...her reply "are you kidding me, XXXX was so lazy in class, she did the bare minimum in clinical and barely passed many of her classes"...I hate to say it, but just because you graduated from nursing school doesn't mean your going to get a job. I am not telling people to give up, just to give up the attitude of self entitlement.

    My first nursing job I was abandoned by my preceptor. I was then left alone on a wing with 50 total-cares, many of whom did not know who they are, with no help except one aide and no idea who anyone was for 18 hours (no arm bands, no room plaques, no pictures or anything) and then I was told that I was the problem, I wasn't a good employee. It was my fault that I didn't fill out some form that I was never showed before in my life properly.

    NO.

    The problem is that nurses refuse to stand up for themselves and get safe work environments, adequate staffing, and decent employee training, so then they bring in the new nurses and treat them like throw-away people. They eat their young. I'm not saying this petition is good, but what I am saying is that when it's a problem where older nurses are against newer nurses, well, the newer nurses didn't build a culture and a discord, it was the older nurses. They failed to raise up the profession and learn to respect others, and so they refuse to allow for any help to be given/suggested for someone who comes along later. I had older nurses tell me to do things the wrong way because "that's how it's done" and "don't be stupid" because I wanted to take 5 seconds to do something properly. Maybe if you want to complain about how new nurses are the problem you should look in the mirror, older nurses have made nursing what it is, no one else.
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    Quote from InfirmiereJolie
    The nursing colleges in my area get 200 applicants each semester and only accept 40. Another has a 3 year waiting list.

    It's like this all around the country. You have to have a 4.0 to get in, great entry test scores, and even then you might not get in or wait 3 years.

    It's not as if they are pumping out as many graduates as are assumed. They are supplying as many graduates as they did in the past, but with cut throat competition to get in.
    Not just cut throat competition to get in, but also to stay in.

    My program accepted 80 students total in an academic year (including bridge students from a local LPN program). Of those 80 students, my cohort graduated 28 students. That's a paltry 35% graduation rate.

    Not every nursing program in the country is flooding the market with new grads.
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