A week in the ER?!
- 0Aug 15, '12 by tigerlogicI floated down to the ER for a couple of nights to sit 1:1 (I'm a CNA) with an early onset Alzheimer's patient and much to my surprise, she had been there for 3 days and the woman next door --waiting for a court ordered involuntary admission to the state psych hospital-- had been there over a week!
My hospital does have a pysch floor--though there is always a waiting list for beds, as well as a med-surg floor (with empty spaces, usually) where the majority of the 1:1s and people waiting for open psych beds hang out/stabilize.
Is it common for people waiting on psych transfers to spend multiple days in the ER? What happens to your in-need-of-more-security-than-a-floor-bed psych patients?
I really want to be an ER nurse and was happy I floated down there, even if it was mostly watching someone sleep all night. It seemed like a great team and I was happy to help with the "altered mental state" patient.
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- 1Aug 15, '12 by ckh23As an ER nurse you most certainly will not be watching people sleep. ER nurses run their butts off regardless of it's day shift or night shift.
It has been my experience that people will spend days waiting for pysch beds. I also think a lot has to do with how the system is set up. At my old hospital, there was a crisis center in the ER, which was a locked unit that pysch patients were taken to for evaluation after a medical clearance by the ER doc. This was the crisis center for the entire county so it could get quite crowded at times. Unfortunately patients could be there for days waiting for placement. Some of it has to do with insurance, their diagnosis, available beds, etc. People waiting for state run facilities usually wait the longest because they are essentially waiting for a bed to open up for them and that could be a long time because chances are they are not the only ones waiting.
- 4Aug 15, '12 by FlyingScotQuote from ckh23Not busting your chops but I re-read the OP several times and think she was referring to what she had to do as a sitter on that particular night. I'm quite certain she was not saying that ER nurses watch patients sleeping all night.As an ER nurse you most certainly will not be watching people sleep. ER nurses run their butts off regardless of it's day shift or night shift.
- 0Aug 15, '12 by Altra GuideNot typical where I have worked, though demand for mental health services certainly outpaces supply just about everywhere. An ER stay of 10 - 20 hours is typical for our psychiatric patients -- from clearance of any acute medical issues, to evaluation by a psych RN, to voluntary consent for treatment or legal approval of an involuntary admission, to precertification to obtaining an available bed at an appropriate facility to actually transferring the patient. I'm not even sure how that length of stay could even be feasible in my state, as voluntary psych admissions are generally 72 hours or less, and involuntary admissions are often less than 5 days.
- 0Aug 15, '12 by Crux1024Wow. A week. Ive often said that I feel our hospitals psych services needed an upgrade, but Ive never seen a pt stay in the ER for a week! Longest stay Ive seen was maybe 38 hrs. We have a 5 bed section for our Mental Health pts, and we do get the overflow into the main ER. But our MH nurses dont take dementia pts b/c our MH IP unit does not do dementia either. So Altered mental state pts get a work up and then generally sent to the floor as an admission. 99% of the time they have comorbidities that qualify them for an admission. Then our social workers and case management take over from the floor and go from there. Now, floor stays....ive seen them range weeks to months. But makes more sense to me, for them to be on the floor than left in the ER.
- 1Aug 16, '12 by brainkandy87What. The. Eff. Talk about improper use of an emergency department...
I think holding pts in an ER is not only improper use, but dangerous. The ER is not meant to be a place where pts stay. You're taking up an ER nurse to monitor an admitted pt. In our ER, we use a totally different system than the floors and most of the nurses can't access their system, so neither one can see what the other has done. It's just scary, IMO. If there aren't any beds in the hospital, that pt needs to get transferred the heck out or someone needs to be discharged to make room.