Non-nursing major graduate wants DNP! - page 2

by AshleyPCA 15,523 Views | 22 Comments

i am graduating from the university of iowa next year with a non-nursing major. i have planned to apply to an entry-level msn program, but by the time i graduate from that (2015) it will be required to have a dnp to be an np... Read More


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    Quote from newRNstudent02
    5-6 years for a BSN? where did you get that number. Most ABSN take 11-16 months, and an ELMs can range from 2.5-3.5 years.
    This is the U of I. With the waitlist it can take that long. They have no ABSN program. Just a BSN and then a RN-BSN. Same with Coe and Mount Mercy. No ABSN. Those take 4 years (3 if prereqs are completed) because they have no waitlist, but then again are $30,000/year.

    I realize that the ABSN takes a short amount of time, but in my area, to my knowledge, those aren't around. You have to go the traditional route.
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    If the OP already has a bachelor's why would she go for a traditional bsn? That would take another 3-4 years. That's absurd. Go for the ABSN or ELM, it's faster and the wiser decision then an ADN.

    Allen college also offers an ABSN in your state. http://www.allencollege.edu/index.ph...d=93&Itemid=77 Also, the University of Iowa used to offer an ELM. I'm not sure if the program was discontinued, but something to consider.

    Knowledge and research goes along way!
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    Hey AshleyPCA,
    I'm in the same boat. But I graduated in 2008 with a BS in Biology. To answer your question yes their are direct entry DNP programs out there. The university I graduated from has one, University of South Carolina (columbia) and I believe University of Portland. Their programs are like 5 years long or so but within the first 1 1/2-2 years or so you earn your RN and begin working while you complete the graduate portion. I'm not sure of any others, I found it hard to find any other programs to be honest. I was looking up direct entry MSN programs and found myself on the university of Portland website and saw their program, I was beginning to think USC (south carolina) was the only one who had a program like this. My high school classmate was just accepted into USC 's program but i beleive they only accepted 8 people for this spring that is. I applied but was denied so i'm focusing on direct entry MSN programs. I was accepted to an ADN program here in columbia SC but like you I too feel as if i would be going backwards. But i'm determined to become an NP with a DNP and will do whatever it takes to get there. I also want experience as a nurse in order to be a more efficient NP of course, so i guess its not too bad since i would have more experience before reaching my end goal, but i would also like for my current bachelors to count for something..lol.
    Anywho....the next deadline for USC (south carolina) for Fall 2011 is May 1st and for spring 2012 its Dec 1st I believe.
    oh ya! Case western university (i forgot!) sort of has a direct entry DNP its like 3 different entry points/stages. First you get the MN which prepares you for work as a nurse then you get the MSN (specialty option) then you continue on to get the DNP. Once admitted initially you are automatically admitted into the MSN and DNP programs. Its called the graduate entry program. Look it up and get the accurate details I'm just going off of memory here. I thought about applying there but its so expensive...duno though.
    Hope this info helps!

    Monah86
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    Is your goal to be a NP or is it just to say that you have a doctorate? As I understand it, current MSN-NPs will be grandfathered in but schools just won't have that as an option.

    If your goal is to be a NP, then apply to the entry level MSN-NP programs. If your goal is to have a doctorate, then I'd say go for a ABSN program. Once you have your BSN, you can work and evaluate DNP programs for NP as they become available. I was looking at the UMaryland website and they do say that they plan to have a MSN-DNP for current MSN-NPs that are interested.

    I used to joke that my goal was to have as many Masters as possible without having a doctorate but looks like the NP transition will mess that goal up for me. I have one Masters and was working on my second one when I dropped out to start nursing school pre-reqs.
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    My understanding is that the 2015 deadline requiring the DNP for nurse practitioners is not expected to actually go into effect. Seems like a good idea to get the DNP eventually but, if its not going to be required, the fastest route to being a NP would be a direct entry MSN program, that is a masters degree for someone with a non-nursing BA. Seattle University has a program that I have been looking into. Heres the link

    College of Nursing - APNI - Primary Care Nurse Pracitioner - Family, Psychiatric, Adult-Gerontological Specialties - Seattle University
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    The 2015 rule for DNP degrees simply means that the minimum entry to practice for APRNs will be doctoral rather than master level. It does not mean if you are currently an NP or in an MSN-NP program that you have to get a DNP by 2015 to continue practicing or sit for boards. It also does not mean if you want an MSN in education or administration that you have to have a DNP to teach or manage. This happened with pharmacy in 1995 If you graduated from pharmacy school in 1994 or prior, you could be a master-level-trained pharmacist. If you graduated from pharmacy school in 1995, your program would have to have been doctoral level in order to sit for boards. There are plenty of masters level pharmacists practicing with the same scope-of-practice as their doctorally prepared counterparts (though likely making less money if years of experience are close). This is currently happening with physical therapists, but I think they have until 2017 to implement the DPT and phase out the MPT.
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    I am in the same exact situation Ashley except different part of the country. I go to school in Massachusetts and was planning on applying to entry level MSN programs to become and NP. Now with knowledge of the 2015 switch to DNP I am at a loss. I too have been debating whether to go into a ABSN program and then go into a DNP program or if I want to continue moving forward and getting an MSN prepared RN and taking it from there.
    I know this question is a year old but if anyone has any suggestions for me that would be great! I have all the prerequisite courses and I am a Junior currently.
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    There is no requirement for the DNP in 2015. It was a proposed goal set by the American Association of Colleges of Nursing in 2006. It was a "stretch goal" as AACN did not have any ability to mandate this of the 50 states and national certification boards.

    No State Board of Nursing is requiring the DNP. The only certification agency that has endorsed the DNP is the national certification board for Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (CRNA), and they set 2025 as their mandatory date.
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    Be very careful. I am working with nurses who are over 100k in student loan debt. Very difficult to get out of. I see a lot of depression with these nurses. They cannot buy homes, cars or have kiddos. Something has to be done. I am paid off, but then college is getting pricier and for no good reason other than they can!
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    Quote from kshiggin
    I am in the same exact situation Ashley except different part of the country. I go to school in Massachusetts and was planning on applying to entry level MSN programs to become and NP. Now with knowledge of the 2015 switch to DNP I am at a loss. I too have been debating whether to go into a ABSN program and then go into a DNP program or if I want to continue moving forward and getting an MSN prepared RN and taking it from there. I know this question is a year old but if anyone has any suggestions for me that would be great! I have all the prerequisite courses and I am a Junior currently.
    Look for quality direct-entry masters programs. There are several local.


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