Top 10 Reasons Against Unions - page 5

top ten reasons why we don't want a union 10. the union doesn't write my paycheck. 9. unions would rather cause problems than work together. 8. union scale means the best workers are... Read More

  1. Visit  Chico David RN profile page
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    Quote from LostButMakinGoodTime
    We are actually working toward getting rid of our union. Our RNs are represented by the SEIU 1199P, and have found them to be of VERY little benefit to us. They collect 75.00/month from each of 1300 RNs (do the math) and don't even have a monthly (or even quarterly) union meeting. The staff is extremely aggravated about this, and the SEIU will NOT inform us as to what they do with all of this money, and how the spending of all of this cash has any benefit whatsoever to the 1300 RNs that are "donating" 75.00/month to the union. I wouldn't advise any RN to not go union, as I don't know much about who is organizing your facility. I will advise vigorously against going with the SEIU. They are a joke, and nothing but a political fundraising organization.
    It's sadly true that not all unions are effective, or democratic or really fight for their members. There are great unions, OK unions, and not so good unions. And, in a really big union like SEIU, even some locals are a lot different than others. Many American unions have made the mistake of believing that the best way to exercise political power is by giving money to politicians who they hope will do good things for them. The trouble with that approach is the bosses and all the various anti-worker forces will always have more money. Here in California, some people like to make a big deal about the unions' spending on politics. But we just had one single candidate for governor spend more money out of her own personal fortune than all the unions in the state put together could possibly hope to spend. And that much money - something like $165 million - was just pocket change to her. The way for unions to exercise political power is the way that mine mostly does, which is by getting members involved in campaigns, and getting them out in the street working for candidates. Of course, that requires that they actually talk to their members, which some unions are not all that comfortable doing. I'd be the first to admit that even we could be better, but we engage our members far better than most. For RNs, I'm a believer that almost all of the nurse-run, all nurse unions are better than most of the multi-industry unions that also represent some RNs.
  2. Visit  Johnny Union RN profile page
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    I've seen and heard directly from plenty of Nurses the phrase- What does the union do for me? They see the real worth of that Union Contract when they are disciplined! Granted sometimes the discipline is appropiate but all too often the Nurse is used as the scape goat for a defect in the hospital administratvie processes and rsather then fix the problem or address the real basis of the situation, it is just easier to discipline and blame the nurse. All too often the level of discipline imposed is based on a personal judgement of the nurse and not the facts!Q A proper investigation and grievance and arbitration process can shed light on this aspect and get the discipline removed or reduced. Often it gets a GOOD NURSE their JOB BACK!
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  3. Visit  Chico David RN profile page
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    Quote from Johnny Union RN
    I've seen and heard directly from plenty of Nurses the phrase- What does the union do for me? They see the real worth of that Union Contract when they are disciplined! Granted sometimes the discipline is appropiate but all too often the Nurse is used as the scape goat for a defect in the hospital administratvie processes and rsather then fix the problem or address the real basis of the situation, it is just easier to discipline and blame the nurse. All too often the level of discipline imposed is based on a personal judgement of the nurse and not the facts!Q A proper investigation and grievance and arbitration process can shed light on this aspect and get the discipline removed or reduced. Often it gets a GOOD NURSE their JOB BACK!
    As chief steward at my hospital, I handle a lot of the disciplinary stuff here. I'd freely admit that the majority of nurses who are disciplined have not been perfect. But only a tiny percentage are genuinely "bad" nurses. For those, we have a duty to make sure they get a fair process - which everyone deserves - but we aren't going to try too hard to save their jobs. Most are good nurses who made one stupid mistake. In that case, the role of the union is to make sure that the sanction is proportional to the mistake in light of the nurse's whole record. Often management wants to over-react and we can usually stop that. And then there are those others, the ones that really stick with me and make me proud of what I do.
    Case 1: The hospital pharmacy policy was to give a certain dose and concentration of a particular drug. The anesthesiologist was a nationally recognized expert on that drug and wanted to give a different dose. The Pharmacist refused to mix that dose, so the OR nurse did it and administered the drug under the direct supervision of the doctor. The pharmacist complained and the hospital decided to fire the nurse for violating policy. The grievance procedure won her job back with back pay.
    Case 2: A nurse of a particular ethnic minority who spoke with a strong accent had a spotless record and a 10 year history of multiple commendations. Then she came under the jurisdiction of a charge nurse with a clear prejudice against people of her ethnicity. The charge nurse managed to find a few patients who shared that prejudice and got them to complain about the nurse, leading to her firing. She didn't want her job back, but ended up with a nice financial settlement, thanks to the union.
    Case 3: A PACU nurse was called in to assist with a late case - a trauma surgery. Our hospital recovers those patients in the Trauma ICU, with the PACU nurse assisting as needed - so the patient never goes to the PACU. The PACU nurse had arrived in the unit and was doing some paperwork when she heard the OR doors open and the OR crew starting to move the patient toward the trauma unit. She ran down to help, participated in the transport and assisted with the recovery. But hospital policy was that all critical patients were to be transported to the Unit on a cardiac monitor and the anesthesiologist and circulating nurse had moved the patient out of the OR without the monitor. The manager had it in for the PACU nurse and suspended her for the violation. I filed a grievance and went with the nurse to the meeting with the HR director and OR manager. The OR manager kept going on about what the policy was. I'll always treasure the look on her face when I pointed out that in fact this nurse had never accepted responsibility for the patient and had nothing to do with the violation - if policy had been violated it was the fault of the anesthesiologist or the circulator. The suspension was erased and the nurse paid for the days she had missed.
    An interesting sidelight is that the nurses in cases 1 and 3 had voted not to unionize - but were sure glad they had that help when they needed it.
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  4. Visit  CCL RN profile page
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    Very nice Chico David!
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  5. Visit  ctnjason profile page
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    MGH in Boston is NON union FYI
  6. Visit  K+MgSO4 profile page
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    Have you guys heard about what the Australian Nurses Federation (Victoria Branch) have done. They are a nursing union that obtained a WORLD FIRST by mandating patient ratios 1:4 in a general acute ward during the day.

    In the last 9 months we fought hard and eventually won to protect these ratios and prevent the Bailliu government from introducing unlicensed healthcare assistants in the ratios. Split shifts and redeployment during a shift. Removing the in charge role
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  7. Visit  laborer profile page
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    California law AB394 - 1999 is the first law to protect patients and RNs California RN Staffing Ratio Law
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  8. Visit  herring_RN profile page
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    The victoria Australia got ratios in their contract. It was an inspiration for california nurses working to get it passed into law.
    Both in Victoria and California we had a struggle to keep safe staffing ratios.
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  9. Visit  K+MgSO4 profile page
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    Quote from herring_RN
    The victoria Australia got ratios in their contract. It was an inspiration for california nurses working to get it passed into law.
    Both in Victoria and California we had a struggle to keep safe staffing ratios.
    There is a world outside the US!
  10. Visit  BrandonLPN profile page
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    I'm a proud union nurse, working for the state of Michigan.

    I've worked in several cooperate nursing homes and have seen countless shifts where the CNAs and nurses run short. I've seen facilities where they tell the aides they can only use ONE pair of briefs per resident per shift because they cost too much. I've worked at facilities where I was told alcohol wipes weren't really necessary for fingersticks.

    At the state run facility I work at now, no aide or nurse ever runs short, EVER. I can use how ever many supplies I damn well deem necessary for the well being of my resident.

    After what I seen I will NEVER work as a nurse without a union. Heck, I'll never work as a nurse in the private sector, either.
  11. Visit  chuckster profile page
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    Quote from picupnp
    [color=#808000]top ten reasons why we don't want a union
    10. the union doesn't write my paycheck.
    9. unions would rather cause problems than work together.
    8. union scale means the best workers are carrying the worst.
    7. the people who want a union really need one.
    6. too corrupt.
    5. too political, too liberal and too partisan.
    4. unions are only about power and money for the ones who run the union.
    3. unions are negative about everything but how great they are.
    2. i like to work steady.
    1. i've got too much self respect.
    why stop with just getting rid of unions? i'm pretty sure that employers have their workers best interests in mind, so why not get rid of osha and safety standards? all pharmaceutical companies want to do make sick folks better, so why have the fda looking over the shoulder of such beneficent organizations? they can interpret their own research and testing data much better than some government bureaucrat, so let's let them do what they think best.

    come to think of it, why do we need a nanny state, intrusive organization like the epa? companies can figure out how to control pollution better and cheaper, so let's let them figure out how to do it and have them set their own standards. while we're at it, let's also get rid of those silly laws about 40 hour work weeks, minimum wages and age limits. pre-teens will be happy to work instead of being stuck in school and we'll all save money since we won't have to worry about a minimum wage. with just a few simple steps, we could be back in the gilded age of the 1890's when every american was well-paid, healthy, highly educated, had a great place to live and boundless social mobility.
  12. Visit  Chico David RN profile page
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    And while we are at it, we obviously should do away with licensing for nurses - that's just about the government trying to ensure quality care and public safety and we don't need the government for that - the free market can handle it - just like they handle banking regulation. Licensing just artificially inflates wages and drives up health care costs. If we leave it up to hospitals, I'm sure they wouldn't hire anyone unqualified just to save money. Would they?

    Quote from chuckster
    Why stop with just getting rid of unions? I'm pretty sure that employers have their workers best interests in mind, so why not get rid of OSHA and safety standards? All pharmaceutical companies want to do make sick folks better, so why have the FDA looking over the shoulder of such beneficent organizations? They can interpret their own research and testing data much better than some government bureaucrat, so let's let them do what they think best.

    Come to think of it, why do we need a nanny state, intrusive organization like the EPA? Companies can figure out how to control pollution better and cheaper, so let's let them figure out how to do it and have them set their own standards. While we're at it, let's also get rid of those silly laws about 40 hour work weeks, minimum wages and age limits. Pre-teens will be happy to work instead of being stuck in school and we'll all save money since we won't have to worry about a minimum wage. With just a few simple steps, we could be back in the gilded age of the 1890's when every American was well-paid, healthy, highly educated, had a great place to live and boundless social mobility.
  13. Visit  kcmylorn profile page
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    In one and one half months- I will be a union RN again after 10 years of administrations BS and micro managment.
    Let me post, from personal experience, some top reasons to be a union Nurse:

    In the 18 yrs I was a union nurse- I always had a job to go to, the same job: I didn't have to live one temp position to the next

    I did not have to file bankruptcy

    I did not have to worry about being terminated for speaking up against a witnessed act of bullying, a union would have been all over that.

    I was able to do my job not dodge land mind fields of micromanagement

    I'm counting the days until I can sign up!! Union strong!!

    Oh, forgot to add in those 10 years- I've watched my payscale go down to a level it was back in 2000- A union would have been allover that too!!
    Last edit by kcmylorn on Jul 6, '12

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