Top 10 Reasons Against Unions - page 12

top ten reasons why we don't want a union 10. the union doesn't write my paycheck. 9. unions would rather cause problems than work together. 8. union scale means the best workers are carrying the worst. 7. the... Read More

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    Yes, yes, that would work,
    in a hospital that did NOT fire nurses at the drop of a hat,
    and easily replace them with any of the cheap, new grads of any of the six nursing schools in the area.
    And again, once fired from this hospital,
    there aren't any others around.

    I have no doubt, that there would be communications between the cops and the hospital, if a nurse did go complain. The nightshift cops and the nightshift supervisors all know each other very well, like i said.
    Hospitals seem to carry some authority when they make requests, imo. If the hospital asks the cops to go check on us,
    or told the cops there is some "emergency" requiring add'l staff be roused to come in,
    the cops will comply.(as they've proven)

    but yeah, otherwise, your idea is great.
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    Quote from SC_RNDude
    And, union leaders are often stupid and arrogant....and now I'm out of Twinkies and Ding Dongs!

    I'm a retired critical care nurse and worked most of my career in a union hospital and now work for a large urban public school district that is also unionized where the school nurses are served by the same union as the teachers. The school nurses have their own bargaining unit. We have a full time RN in each high school, and depending on acuity, there may be assistant school nurses (usually LPNs) to work with medically fragile/special needs units. In schools where there are no unions, nursing duties are often assigned to school secretaries to save money vs paying for an LPN or an RN and the school nurse may have to supervise many buildings. With the number of students who live in poverty that we serve, the school nurse is often the only health care provided that our kids see on a regular basis.

    Arrogant and stupid? That hardly fits any union leader that I worked for in all my years in nursing. They have all been there make sure that nurses had a VOICE in what they do and could bargain vs beg.

    Sorry about the loss of your Twinkies. There may be a support group out there for people like you and you may (sadly) run into my grandson at one of those meeting.

    Best to you,
    Mrs H.
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    Quote from HazelLPN
    I'm a retired critical care nurse and worked most of my career in a union hospital and now work for a large urban public school district that is also unionized where the school nurses are served by the same union as the teachers. The school nurses have their own bargaining unit. We have a full time RN in each high school, and depending on acuity, there may be assistant school nurses (usually LPNs) to work with medically fragile/special needs units. In schools where there are no unions, nursing duties are often assigned to school secretaries to save money vs paying for an LPN or an RN and the school nurse may have to supervise many buildings. With the number of students who live in poverty that we serve, the school nurse is often the only health care provided that our kids see on a regular basis.

    Arrogant and stupid? That hardly fits any union leader that I worked for in all my years in nursing. They have all been there make sure that nurses had a VOICE in what they do and could bargain vs beg.

    Sorry about the loss of your Twinkies. There may be a support group out there for people like you and you may (sadly) run into my grandson at one of those meeting.

    Best to you,
    Mrs H.
    That is sad that a school nurse is the only health care that some kids see on a regular basis. However, it isn't the role of the school to be a healthcare provider. Not to say that having a nurse being in a school is a bad thing, but with budget constraints I can understand some places choose not to have one. Training a employee in first aid and then calling the parents or 911 for anything more serious then that is acceptable in my opinion.

    I'm sure some places avoid hiring a RN for that role because they don't want another union employee. So, in those cases it is actually costing jobs and impairing the care provided to students.

    I heard one of the union leaders involved in the Hostess negotiations in a radio interview. I don't recall his exact words, but the just of it was that even though they had been warned by the company for a long time and they obviously knew about the company'sfinancial problems in the past, and they did have access to the company's books, they didn't really believe the situation was as dire as it was. In this case, that is stupid and arrogant.

    A support group...what a great idea. Maybe I'll get one started. I'll let you know so you can get your grandson in touch with me. Lol!
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    Quote from SC_RNDude
    That is sad that a school nurse is the only health care that some kids see on a regular basis. However, it isn't the role of the school to be a healthcare provider. Not to say that having a nurse being in a school is a bad thing, but with budget constraints I can understand some places choose not to have one. Training a employee in first aid and then calling the parents or 911 for anything more serious then that is acceptable in my opinion.

    I'm sure some places avoid hiring a RN for that role because they don't want another union employee. So, in those cases it is actually costing jobs and impairing the care provided to students.

    I heard one of the union leaders involved in the Hostess negotiations in a radio interview. I don't recall his exact words, but the just of it was that even though they had been warned by the company for a long time and they obviously knew about the company'sfinancial problems in the past, and they did have access to the company's books, they didn't really believe the situation was as dire as it was. In this case, that is stupid and arrogant.

    A support group...what a great idea. Maybe I'll get one started. I'll let you know so you can get your grandson in touch with me. Lol!
    I think you must have misunderstood. The school districts that HAVE unions like mine require an RN at each of the high schools and sometimes an LPN for special needs units. The NON Union schools replace the RN or LPN with other non nursing staff, so it has nothing to do with wanting another union member. I don't think a single school nurse or teacher who will agree with you that the school nurse's position isn't vital to the students they serve.

    The roles of the schools have changed over the years, and the schools do need to keep our children safe and healthy while they are there, so I'm going to have to politely and respectfully disagree with you. School nursing isn't easy. Oh I thought it was when I was as PICU nurse, but not now after I've done the job for a few years. We have many more medically fragile children in our public schools serve than ever before. It isn't uncommon for me to have kiddos on vents, with G tubes, who need cathed or who I need to start TPN for. We also deal with child abuse, pregancy, STDs, sexual health, sexual orientation and gender identity issues, bullying, a lot of psychological problems and students who have serious health issues and need teaching. There is some first aid and bandaids, but that's not what we spend the majority of our time on. Thankfully, we have a union which listens to its school nurses and teachers who can give us a voice that we advocate for our students to create the best safe learning environment.

    I doubt the union is to blame for the decline in the Hostess company as I've heard much different information about how the upper administration was mostly to blame.

    Before you start your support group, I saw last night on MSNBC that there are several companies that wish to buy Hostess and continue their products so I doubt you'll have to wait for long. My grandson was so thrilled that he called me to turn on the Ed Show. Where did I go wrong? I won the blue ribbon for pies three years in a row at the county fair back in the 80s...and this kid still eats twinkies! I wonder if your grandmother and I can find our own support group for grandmothers who's grandkids don't appreciate the dying art of good old fashioned home cooking!

    Best to you,
    Mrs H.
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    I do wonder if the mandatory flu vaccinations or youre fired approach will have an affect on unionizing hospitals that are currently not?
    A union would be there to help protect the individuals rights concerning these type of management decisions.
    I think the time is coming for more nursing unionization. It's sad but it seems that is the only way to protect ourselves and to insist on proper patient care.
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    Quote from Bella'sMyBaby
    Where I live, Nurses aren't unionized, so I don't know much about pros/cons. I do know that Teachers are & they seem to have it pretty good......
    "Fast Forward" almost three years since the original post, and find that many teachers are being laid off by school districts that are going broke.
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    Jean Marie, I have been mandated many many times. your story made me lol!!! because i can picture it with my coworkers. some of my friends working in other locations have never been mandated ever in years! or seen coworkers ever mandated!
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    Unions suck. The union reps tell employees they can guarantee a minimum salary and certain # of hours worked and 8 weeks paid vacation a year and blah blah blah, but union reps aren't the ones in HR. If the union doesn't get its way, the reps pitch a fit and then goes on strike. I grew up with a dad in a union and every 3 years, when time for the contract negotiations, the tension was horrible as union reps and the company hammered out a new contract. If it wasn't to the union's liking, yep, it was time to break out the signs. The union would go on strike and were assigned shifts to walk the picket line and you did NOT cross the line. My hubby's plant was being cornered by a union and the union reps could give them any info they wanted to (even saying they'd guarantee employees the same salary as their counterparts on the other side of the country where cost of living is 8x what it is here) but wouldn't let the company's management say a single word. If employees approached mgmt about with any questions they could answer, but mgmt couldn't tell the employees anything.
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    Quote from HazelLPN
    I think you must have misunderstood. The school districts that HAVE unions like mine require an RN at each of the high schools and sometimes an LPN for special needs units. The NON Union schools replace the RN or LPN with other non nursing staff, so it has nothing to do with wanting another union member. I don't think a single school nurse or teacher who will agree with you that the school nurse's position isn't vital to the students they serve.

    The roles of the schools have changed over the years, and the schools do need to keep our children safe and healthy while they are there, so I'm going to have to politely and respectfully disagree with you. School nursing isn't easy. Oh I thought it was when I was as PICU nurse, but not now after I've done the job for a few years. We have many more medically fragile children in our public schools serve than ever before. It isn't uncommon for me to have kiddos on vents, with G tubes, who need cathed or who I need to start TPN for. We also deal with child abuse, pregancy, STDs, sexual health, sexual orientation and gender identity issues, bullying, a lot of psychological problems and students who have serious health issues and need teaching. There is some first aid and bandaids, but that's not what we spend the majority of our time on. Thankfully, we have a union which listens to its school nurses and teachers who can give us a voice that we advocate for our students to create the best safe learning environment.

    I doubt the union is to blame for the decline in the Hostess company as I've heard much different information about how the upper administration was mostly to blame.

    Before you start your support group, I saw last night on MSNBC that there are several companies that wish to buy Hostess and continue their products so I doubt you'll have to wait for long. My grandson was so thrilled that he called me to turn on the Ed Show. Where did I go wrong? I won the blue ribbon for pies three years in a row at the county fair back in the 80s...and this kid still eats twinkies! I wonder if your grandmother and I can find our own support group for grandmothers who's grandkids don't appreciate the dying art of good old fashioned home cooking!

    Best to you,
    Mrs H.
    Yes, Mrs H I did misunderstand.

    However, a school should be able to determine on it's own whether a RN is needed or not. Not a union saying every school needs a RN. My expereince in school nursing is very limited (just my nursing school clinical) so I'm far from being an expert. But the school I was in definately didn't need someone with a RN after their name to do the job. My nursing experience consisted of keeping track of epi pens, immunization records, and administering first aid.

    Some schools may very well have a need for an RN. But many do not. Yes, we will have to disagree that every school should have a mandate for a RN.

    As far as sexual orientation, gender i.d. issues, abuse, psych, bullying, etc., ...I would rather leave that up to more qualified people (ie. counselors, psychiatrists) to handle those type of things.
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    OBAMA CARE = Socialism for all the workers of American...
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