Professionals or "workers" - page 3

by blackribbon

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I am attending nursing school in Michigan, a very "union" state. I have recently moved here from Texas, a right to work state. There is a big political issue going on here about Right-to-work. And until people started posting... Read More


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    To answer your question, there are "professions" that do unionize, Doctors for instance have unions all over the country and have been around since the 70's. "Profession" though isn't exactly a scientific term which muddies things a little.

    I don't know if not unionizing is what makes MSWs "professionals", but I do know they make less than somebody with a bachelor's or AS degree, so if unionization makes me just a "worker" I'm fine with that.
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    Someone else commented about the arbitrary decrease in wages since this recession. A union would fix that. Everyone receives fair pay based on level of experience and cost of living. Unions also ensure that mandatory overtime is for extreme emergencies only. Sure, employers will try to guilt you into coming in regardless, but unionized workers can say no without fear of discipline. Schedules must be fair and posted well in advance. OT is paid in excess of hours worked. Given the stories I've read on this site, I'll gladly keep my union. Nurses lacking one are taken advantage of.
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    Physician assistants require a pre-medical undergraduate education and a master's degree to enter practice at this point. Paramedics in my state are mostly volunteers...it seems that pre-hospital medicine has not yet grasped the opportunity to become a 'profession' like it is in other parts of the world. Someone on here mentioned that in Princess Diana's car accident the responders were criticized for staying on the scene too long before transporting, but that is because they are capable of providing more treatment at the scene than EMTs in the United States. I'll give you respiratory therapists, but they don't seem to be shouting from the rooftops that they are professionals like we do in the nursing world. Nurses like to talk the talk, but until we walk the walk and stop only requiring what is essentially a vocational degree, we will not be recognized as professionals like we desire.
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    I should also mention that the US is the only country who still allows RNs to enter practise with a Diploma. Everywhere else (Australia, Canada, the UK) a Bachelor's Degree has become mandatory for all new RNs. While many people argue against a BSN, the degree is one measure that allows nursing to be regarded as a profession. As a result, the working conditions for nurses are slightly better in these nations.
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    A new nurse's union was born out of that ratio fight in California, here is a link in case anyone's interested. National Nurses United
    Last edit by nursel56 on Dec 12, '12 : Reason: edit the info
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    Quote from kabfighter
    Physician assistants require a pre-medical undergraduate education and a master's degree to enter practice at this point.
    (Not trying to be argumentative, but, just FYI, there are (still) associate's degree PA programs around.)
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    Quote from Sirius Squint
    I initially came to this web site for support from my peers. But Im beginning to see all too often rude comments to questions and replies. If you can't be respectful in your comments, either dig that stick out off your butt or don't comment at all. Ive about had it with Allnurses because instead of getting help from the site, I usually walk away angry or hurt instead.
    Why would you let a bunch of strangers make you angry and hurt? Not everyone has the same view points and will not agree with what is being posted. Not only will you find that on this site but you will find it in real life too. You have never had a conversation with someone who has a different view point?
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    Quote from elkpark

    (Not trying to be argumentative, but, just FYI, there are (still) associate's degree PA programs around.)
    This is news to me. Everywhere I've worked PAs are midlevel providers just like NPs.
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    Quote from doeRAYmee
    Why would you let a bunch of strangers make you angry and hurt? Not everyone has the same view points and will not agree with what is being posted. Not only will you find that on this site but you will find it in real life too. You have never had a conversation with someone who has a different view point?
    Quite the contrary. I love a healthy debate. Ironically, I was referring to the people who actually ARE incapable of having a different opinion and respond rudely. It only has to go like this "this is my opinion" "I disagree, this is my opinion" I understand my post could have been more clear by quoting the post I was commenting on, but why did you jump to the conclusion that I was referring to instances where people did not agree with me. I DO get angry on here. I come to the site for advice, to read healthy debates, to learn, but my mood recently has taken a hit when my so called "professional " peers harp on some poor soul (not even referring to myself) who dared asked a question, responding with unprofessional, immature rudeness. Im just seeing it more and more lately, so its been getting to me. I used to rave about this site to those who had not been here. Now I find myself feeling bad for new grads who post questions and get snotty answers.
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    Quote from doeRAYmee
    Why would you let a bunch of strangers make you angry and hurt? Not everyone has the same view points and will not agree with what is being posted. Not only will you find that on this site but you will find it in real life too. You have never had a conversation with someone who has a different view point?
    MN Nurse's response to the original poster was uncalled for. There, that is my specific example. The poor OP was just confused and wanted opinions and advice, not to be told that she needed manners. There wss nothing inappropriate about her post that warranted that response. I myself do flat out call people on their rudeness here, but only when its appropriate


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