What is a Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) and Doctor of Nurse Anesthesia Practice? - page 3

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what is doctor of nursing practice (dnp) and doctor of nurse anesthesia practice (dnap)? what is the aana’s official position statement on doctoral education and where can i view it? the aana board of directors’ position... Read More


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    Quote from maximilian333
    I wonder, if nurses just called it a PhD rather than DNP and pretended not to know anything about science, would MDs feel less threatened?
    Well, the problem with that idea is that the DNP degree is nowhere close to being a PhD (and nursing doesn't get to redefine what a PhD consists of ), and plenty of people have PhDs in the various sciences (like, say, most science faculty in any university) and know a lot more science than MDs. So I doubt the MDs would be terribly reassured ...
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    By 2015 even the entry-level RN is going to need to fathom the amazing plethora of new drugs, genetic therapies, and new medicine that are now just emerging. I can understand why they are putting forward pressure on this issue.

    As for the poster mige below, do you really think that nurses want to obtain a DNP degree so that they can call themselves "doctor" or actually equate themselves with MDs? If so, that's just paranoid. Your arguments seem to suggest that nursing education & self-actualization should simply end with the MSN, unless they do something safe like get a PhD in Nursing and go into teaching. By your logic, we should not let lawyers obtain their doctoral degrees in a mere 3 years either.
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    One concern I have (as a wannabe CRNA) is that this new practice doctorate will be focused too much on "leadership" or general nursing classes instead of going deeper into the hard science of anesthesia and disease processes etc. I know CRNA school is intense and basically teaches you everything you need to practice safely but surely there is more in terms of science that can be learned. The only dnap cirriculum i have looked into is from VCU, there may be more programs now that are more science based but I havent seen them. Anyone else have similar thoughts on this issue?
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    Quote from Jubilayhee
    I think it is just a way to confuse people into thinking nurses are doctors, when really they aint. ANA cleary has an agenda and an inferiority complex. If you want to be called a doctor go to med school school plain and simple.

    First of all check your grammer. Aint??? Come on.

    Tell me, do Dentists want people to think they are doctors, what about audiologists, podiatrists, physicial therapists, pharmacists? They are all called doctors. A title of Doctor is defined as the highest level of education, this could be in any field. You are thinking of physicians. Use the word physicians. There is no nurse that wants to be known as a physician, but nurses can be called doctors. Do some research on higher education
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    Quote from mige
    The DNP is another glorify easy degree, its purpose was to make/prepare better clinical nurses but if you look at the curriculum of almost all DNP programs you wont find more than 2 classes that involve clinical medicine.

    Its funny that the Purdue DNP program states 192 hours of residency, As a 3rd year resident IM I do that in less than 3 weeks working 80 hours per week.

    Its a joke and that's why even the nurse community can find a common ground on this topic.

    Not a very well thought out answer here. Basically, in the very near future, nurses will take on more responsibility in healthcare. They will be front line primary care practitionars. Get your facts correct about Purdue's DNP, it is not just 192 hours of residency. This program is for people who already are an advanced practice nurse and already have a Master's Degree. Typically these people have done years of clinical work. So, let's say they have worked for 3 years, well that is 6,240 hours already!!! Be very careful on what you quote from websites and take the time to read.
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    Quote from SpouseofChicagoCRNA
    Are there any MDA programs which will take CRNAs and give any kind of credit for courses taken and experience which might shorten the program and yet yield a MDA rather than a DNA?

    Ahh no, and why would you want to become an MDA?? Watch what the future brings, there are going to be more and more CRNA's and less and less MDA's. MDA's are too expensive. Healthcare is finally figuring that out. Nurse Anesthetists provide the same quality of care as MDA's without any higher morbidity or mortality.
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    I agree with 'elkpark' and 'aCRNAwannabe' on this issue. I got my BSN from a school that is apparently top notch yet after graduating and starting my first nursing position I felt like a fish trying to swim through sand. I started college late in comparison to the majority, and was able to go through my BSN and first 4 years of nursing with a good highschool buddy who was in his last 4 years of MD school and 4 year residency. I was able to compare our education in this manner and found my BSN to be woefully short on teaching me the basics of nursing and the guidance to have confidence to practice post graduation. I'm not going to say that my friend didn't struggle with confidence in his skills, but he struggled with that confidence the last two years of his medical degree and the first two years of residency when he had considerable professional resources still available to him and dedicated educational time to review his performance with is professors. I feel like I had to pick up everything I know on the fly and half-assed in comparison. Makes me regret the $50K I spend to get my BS Nursing degree. I spent more time with books and papers than I ever did with a patient or learning skills.
    I realize the science behind what we do is important. But if some insane nursing association is expecting us to pony up not just another $30K, but an additonal $60K for a doctorate in Nursing then the programs should include a very MD like school experience. I'm not saying that because I think nurses are MDs or a Phd in Nursing should be the same as a doctor. I'm saying that my BSN was a joke...I do/did not feel any better prepaired for my career than the ADNs I started nursing with. Lord knows a paid twice as much as those ADNs though.
    If an MSN and and Phd prepaired RN are going to measure up the same as an ADN does to a BSN then someone needs to take the stick out of their ass and realize that until the programs measure up to the degree that is being offered they really need to quit wasting our time, the patients time, the doctors time, and everyone's money with these stupid ideas of forcing everyone to get a worthless piece of paper when the same job can be done for less.
    Last edit by sirI on Jun 9, '12
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    Sounds like you are frustated by the limitations of the nurse practice act. Perhaps you would be happier as mid-livel practitioner but I don't know how to protect yourself from all the lousy programs around. Even our CRNA programs are slipping.
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    [QUOTE="KalipsoRed21"] feel like I had to pick up everything I know on the fly and half-assed in comparison. Makes me regret the $50K I spend to get my BS Nursing degree. I spent more time with books and papers than I ever did with a patient or learning skills."


    Completely agreed! BSN education is well, BS! Nursing theory? Really? Now that's a ridiculous subject altogether. We are practitioners of skills mainly and in some specialties, we need the SCIENCE to back up our practice. Science, anatomy, physiology, chemistry. Not "careative" theory of patient care! (instead of "curative" as in what physicians do-- yeah, that's nursing theory for you).

    I'm very glad I completed my ADN on a full scholarship (thank you brain) and now have an employer who is fully reimbursing my MSN education. Notice I said MSN? Yup. I found a program that takes me from ADN to MSN and bypasses a lot of the BS. Only catch? I won't be getting a BSN degree, just straight to an MSN and advanced nursing practice training (awwww, let me go cry over that terrible loss...) oh, wait! I forgot to say that I will be able to get a DNP by completing a dual advanced practice degree, so I will actually have relevant clinical experience behind my final nursing degree and only then will the medical establishment "allow and respect" my practice. More BS
    Last edit by sirI on Jun 9, '12 : Reason: quoted edited post
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    Please, please, please tell me what program you found that skips the "BS"-N. I already have two Bachelor's degrees. Is it Loyola? or another MSN program? I need to get started ASAP.


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