Here's what AAs really think of CRNAs - page 2

And this comes from the PRESIDENT of the American Society of Anesthesiologist Assistants Again, assertions that AAs and CRNAs function at the same level -absolutely misleading. And, what's... Read More

  1. by   Jailhouse RN
    The times that I have surgery, I said "I do not want a CRNA or other anesthesia assistant. You will provide an MD or you will have a problem."
  2. by   sandman
    Quote from Jailhouse RN
    The times that I have surgery, I said "I do not want a CRNA or other anesthesia assistant. You will provide an MD or you will have a problem."
    That's LAME
  3. by   georgia_aa
    Please be patient with me as I am in the middle of moving and they have turned off my DSL service until next week so I am struggling with dialup. I don't have time right now to respond to everyone but I will attempt to answer everyone this evening with what I'm sure will be a long post. Please post additional questions in the meantime.
  4. by   deepz
    Quote from georgia_aa
    Please be patient with me as I am in the middle of moving........

    How convenient.

    All hat, no cattle.
  5. by   nurseunderwater
    Quote from deepz
    How convenient.

    All hat, no cattle.
    can we keep this extraordinarily interesting discussion civil please? there are many of us watching and waiting that happen to not be so skeptical. TIA
  6. by   deepz
    Quote from nurseunderwater
    can we keep this extraordinarily interesting discussion civil please? there are many of us watching and waiting that happen to not be so skeptical. TIA

    Skeptical? Not me. I clearly recognize lies, distortions and half-truths when I see them, having seen them many, many times from the A$A andf it's toadies over the years. It's all part of their long-term campaign of obfuscation.

    Civil? I certainly don't consider it civil when A$A minions employ their term 'anesthesia nurse' to apply to me. It's an insult, a putdown. That is by no means civil. My title is nurse anesthetist. My profession defines itself. We don't need another group to name us. As a full-fledged ANESTHETIST I can do it all, without a crutch at my elbow.

    Yet Mr Wagner claims the title anesthetist for himself -- chief anesthetist, no less -- but he is only, by definition, an ASSISTANT to his anesthesiologist employers. Stick with your own title, AAs, don't appropriate others'.

    And when Mr Wagner states ".....Medicare, the nation's largest health insurer ...reimburses AAs and anesthesia nurses at the same rate. This means our skill levels are viewed equally" he conveniently forgets to mention that Medicare pays CRNAs at the same rate as it does MDAs, making CRNAs, by his own smug logic, 'equal in skill levels' to anesthesiologists. More obfuscation.

    Civil? When GeorgiaAA posts a veiled threat to invade my state? Don't make me laugh. Folks, there are merely a few hundred AAs ... and 31,000 CRNAs.

    Bring it on.

    deepz
  7. by   nurseunderwater
    Quote from deepz

    Bring it on.

    deepz
    I find your machismo disturbing....sorry that you are so bitter...this is my last reply to you...

    Looking forward to gathering more info. Kate

    future CRNA or AA?
  8. by   angel337
    i am surprised by some of the comments that people would prefer an AA over a CRNA. why? do people really feel they won't get quality care with a CRNA? actually i would think the care would probably be just as good or better because nurses are usually more patient focused than most physicians. also CRNA's HAVE to be competent or else they wouldn't be in the OR. i think it is an insult to CRNA's that people feel this way. everyone has a right to want what they want, but i guarantee you if i had have an emergency surgery and there was only a CRNA on board i wouldn't complain. is there evidence that CRNA's have caused more pre/post surgery complications or deaths? if that is the case then there would be cause for concern, if not, then we need to support our nurses who choose this as a career.
  9. by   suzanne4
    Most of my procedures that I have ever had done have been with CRNAs.
    And I actually prefer them when given the choice. Many anesthesiologists just supervise several rooms, and do not always do a case from start to end.
    Of course there are exceptions to this rule when you do find an all MD anesthesia department. I definitely prefer a SRNA to be in the room and not an anesthesia resident.......................

  10. by   deepz
    Quote from angel337
    ......is there evidence that CRNA's have caused more pre/post surgery complications or deaths? .....

    Angel, there has never been a scientific study that could distinguish ANY significant difference in quality of care between anesthesia provided by a CRNA and anesthesia provided by an anesthesiologist.

    http://www.aana.com/crna/prof/quality.asp

    deepz
  11. by   smiling_ru
    Quote from suzanne4
    Most of my procedures that I have ever had done have been with CRNAs.
    And I actually prefer them when given the choice. Many anesthesiologists just supervise several rooms, and do not always do a case from start to end.
    Of course there are exceptions to this rule when you do find an all MD anesthesia department. I definitely prefer a SRNA to be in the room and not an anesthesia resident.......................

    Anesthesiologists working in an "anesthesia team" environment do NOT generally administer the anesthesia. This is why I laugh when a patient insists that an anesthesiologist provide theirs. They are basically asking for the person with the LEAST day to day experience in anesthesia administration. (One of our jokes is that their oral airway is an OETT), as they frequently roll into PACU with a patient that is still intubated, this is because they only perform cases to meet their certification requirements.

    Now before the flames start, I am not saying this is true of all MDA's but it is certainly true of MDA's in the "anesthesia care team". Which is the most common practice, especially in larger hospitals.
  12. by   Spoiled1
    There seems to be a great debate here about AA's vs. CRNA's. I am wondering, what is the REAL difference?? When I say REAL difference I am only meaning in terms of job outlook. Are there more jobs for AA's than CRNA's? Here in NC I see a lot of job listings for CRNA's, and I haven't seen many for AA's. So are AA's more popular in other parts of the country?? I thought AA's were more like PA's ( Physician's Assistant)? CRNA's are more like nurses, correct? I am considering CRNA school in the future, so I am hoping someone can help me. I don't want to cause another debate about which one is better. Obviously they both are similar in nature. So please someone respond with the pros and cons of each. Thanks.
  13. by   melrey11
    Quote from Jailhouse RN
    The times that I have surgery, I said "I do not want a CRNA or other anesthesia assistant. You will provide an MD or you will have a problem."
    "Jailhouse RN" That is like saying...I want only a nurse with a BSN, CCRN to take care of me. Please, that's ridiculous. Why dont you just ask, is my provider competent and compassionate?

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