Does it bother CRNA's that MDA's get so much more...?

  1. 1 Hey guys,
    I'm not a CRNA yet. I want to be. I just got hired in a MICU/SICU. I was just wondering if it bothered any CRNA's the fact that MDs who practice anesthesia get paid wayy more for doing the same thing? I know some hospitals/facilities require the MDA oversee the CRNA, but does that equate to a couple hundred K more?

    I don't know...I just feel CRNA's are not compensated enough for the ENORMOUS amount of responsibility and knowledge they hold.
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  3. Visit  tyvin profile page
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    Are any of us?
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    CRNA's are still acting under the MD license and direction.......and technically orders. I believe a MD needs to be present on induction and emergence. If you want the pay of the MD then go to school to be one. It taks 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, 3.5 years of anesthesia and another 2-5 if they specialize like Open heart or transplant near death anesthetics.

    You are a nurse. A CRNA is a specialized nurse. You have 4 years BSN, 15-18 months masters, 1 year critical care experience and 2.5 years CRNA school (when you add all these up...24 months+ of schooling). You go to school less and pay less liability, you will paid less, although still a great wage due to only go up. It really really annoys me sometimes.... this line of thinking. NP's are not MD's and CRNA's are not MD's........you are nurses with specialized training that entitles you for more automony and responsibility and therefore more money, but you remain a nurse.

    I know I will be flamed.But here it goes.........
    If you want the pay and responsibility of the MD...go to school and be one..

    I just hope that the draw of the money for becomming a CRNA is not all about the money but for the love of anesthesia...........Good luck! peace:heartbeat

    EDIT 9/2/11 For all reading this post.....continue reading before you flame me, there are some very interesting discussions about this very obvious HOT button topic.......I have cried uncle and conceded to agree to disagree.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Sep 2, '11
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    Quote from RoobieRNBSN
    Hey guys,
    I'm not a CRNA yet. I want to be. I just got hired in a MICU/SICU. I was just wondering if it bothered any CRNA's the fact that MDs who practice anesthesia get paid wayy more for doing the same thing? I know some hospitals/facilities require the MDA oversee the CRNA, but does that equate to a couple hundred K more?

    I don't know...I just feel CRNA's are not compensated enough for the ENORMOUS amount of responsibility and knowledge they hold.
    Greed is the name of the game. When you go the route of MDA come back and repost this
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    Quote from Esme12
    CRNA's are stil acting under the MD license and direction.......and technically orders. I believe a MD needs to be present on induction and emergence. If you want the pay of the MD then go to school to be one. It taks 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, 3.5 years of anesthesia and another 2-5 if they specialize like Open heart or transplant near death anesthetics.

    You are a nurse. A CRNA is a specialized nurse. YOu have 4 years BSN, 15-18 months masters, I year critical care experience and 2.5 years CRNA school. You go to school less and pay less liability, you will paid less, although still a great wage due to only go up. It really really annoys me sometimes.... this line of thinking. NP's are not MD's and CRNA's are not MD's........you are nurses with specialized training that entitles you for more automony and responsibility and therefore more money, but you remain a nurse.

    I know I will be flamed.BUt here it goes......... If you want the pay and responsibility of the MD...go to school and be one..

    I just hope that the draw of the money for becomming a CRNA is not all about the money but for the love of anesthesia...........Good luck! peace:heartbeat
    You spoke the truth- I see no reason why you should hide behind a couch.

    If you want to be paid same as MDs and want the same priviledges, then you darn right go to Medical school. It irks me silly. As long as you have BSN in your name and did not go the medical route, then yes, you DO NOT earn the same privileges.

    Such greed. You want the accolades that come with the position but do not want to take the time to earn the degree! Unfair and a disservice to the doctors who did and do.

    And NO, it does not bother me- they earned it!

    As a new hire, you might want to concentrate on the job at hand dear
  7. Visit  BabyLady profile page
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    Look at how little nurses get paid compared to a CRNA. Nurses have a ton of responsibility because some nurses kill people every day.

    CRNA's know the pay before they take the job. If they want the "big bucks" there is nothing stopping them from medical school.

    I fully support MD's making more money...b/c if they are going to invest a huge portion of their life in school, then they should be compensated for it.
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  8. Visit  ICU, RN, BSN, B.S. profile page
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    Quote from Katie5
    You spoke the truth- I see no reason why you should hide behind a couch.

    If you want to be paid same as MDs and want the same priviledges, then you darn right go to Medical school. It irks me silly. As long as you have BSN in your name and did not go the medical route, then yes, you DO NOT earn the same privileges.

    Such greed. You want the accolades that come with the position but do not want to take the time to earn the degree! Unfair and a disservice to the doctors who did and do.

    And NO, it does not bother me- they earned it!

    As a new hire, you might want to concentrate on the job at hand dear
    I don't care about the money. I'm more financially stable than most 50 years olds at 27 years old. I was just making a comment. I'm not a greedy person bc I made a comment about money. Please don't judge me when you don't even know me. THANKS!!!!!!!!
  9. Visit  nohika profile page
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    Exactly. You can become a CRNA (theoretically) in 8-ish years? 4 years BSN, 1 year CC, 3 years CRNA school (at the low end of the scale).

    To become an anesthesiologist requires at least 11 - 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school (assuming you get in right away, a lot of people take a year of to work/do research/gain experience/ECs) and then I think anes residency is three years? It might be four, I don't remember.

    CRNA's don't have nearly the knowledge the MDAs do, no offense. In the end the MD is often the one responsible for the patient, so yes, I do believe they get paid the right amount for their work. You want the responsibility and the money, go to MD/DO school.
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    Quote from Esme12
    CRNA's are stil acting under the MD license and direction.......and technically orders. I believe a MD needs to be present on induction and emergence. If you want the pay of the MD then go to school to be one. It taks 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, 3.5 years of anesthesia and another 2-5 if they specialize like Open heart or transplant near death anesthetics.

    You are a nurse. A CRNA is a specialized nurse. YOu have 4 years BSN, 15-18 months masters, I year critical care experience and 2.5 years CRNA school. You go to school less and pay less liability, you will paid less, although still a great wage due to only go up. It really really annoys me sometimes.... this line of thinking. NP's are not MD's and CRNA's are not MD's........you are nurses with specialized training that entitles you for more automony and responsibility and therefore more money, but you remain a nurse.

    I know I will be flamed.BUt here it goes......... If you want the pay and responsibility of the MD...go to school and be one..


    I just hope that the draw of the money for becomming a CRNA is not all about the money but for the love of anesthesia...........Good luck! peace:heartbeat
    I never said NPs were MDs or CRNA's were MDs. I'm not thinking of going into anesthesia for the money. I just made a comment. Like I said to the other person; I'm not greedy bc I made a comment salary with the careers. I am more financially stable than most 50 year olds. I love learning!!! Period. Please don't judge me based on a comment and assume you know my thinking. THANKS!
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    [quote=Esme12;5456057]CRNA's are stil acting under the MD license and direction.......and technically orders. I believe a MD needs to be present on induction and emergence. If you want the pay of the MD then go to school to be one. It taks 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, 3.5 years of anesthesia and another 2-5 if they specialize like Open heart or transplant near death anesthetics.

    You are a nurse. A CRNA is a specialized nurse. YOu have 4 years BSN, 15-18 months masters

    Are a lot of CRNA programs only 15-18 months? The 2 Masters in Nurse Anesthesia programs in boston are much longer. I believe Northeastern just extended their program to 32 or 36 months!
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    Are you guys CRNA's??? or trying to become a CRNA?
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    I definitely think MDs should get compensated for their hard work. They should be paid more than what they get; at least I think. Anyways, the point of my question....was specifically to CRNA's ONLY! Also, I wasn't trying to take away anything from MDs. They are amazing!!!
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    Quote from nohika
    Exactly. You can become a CRNA (theoretically) in 8-ish years? 4 years BSN, 1 year CC, 3 years CRNA school (at the low end of the scale).

    To become an anesthesiologist requires at least 11 - 4 years undergrad, 4 years med school (assuming you get in right away, a lot of people take a year of to work/do research/gain experience/ECs) and then I think anes residency is three years? It might be four, I don't remember.

    CRNA's don't have nearly the knowledge the MDAs do, no offense. In the end the MD is often the one responsible for the patient, so yes, I do believe they get paid the right amount for their work. You want the responsibility and the money, go to MD/DO school.

    Hi. I don't need you to break down how many years of schooling it is. I have doctors in my family. I already know that. I have nurses in my family. and I am a RN for 3 years too. I know all about the years of schooling, and training. THANKS!

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