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By the year of 2015 will all CRNA will be needing a Doctorate degree, instead of a Masters degree?... Read More

  1. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
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    Quote from mindlor
    Hmmm I see a big problem in the future......

    Just ask Dr. so and so.....

    The medical doctor? the nurse doctor? the physical therapist doctor? the pharmacy doctor? My word!!! My head is about to explode ;-)

    Does a person with a Doctorate in Nursing go by Dr. so and so?
    Hmm....maybe people will just have to start asking for the physician, pharmacist, nurse, the physical therapist etc..... You know for several years now pharmacists/OT/PT/ST etc. have been getting their doctorates, but as soon as nurses start getting doctorates on a more wide spread scale it is suddenly a crisis?....Heaven forbid that we are just going to have to start educating our patients that just because you have your doctorate in something doesn't mean you are a physician.
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  3. Visit  L&DWannabe profile page
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    I agree. "Doctor" is not the technical term for a physician. I think that this is such a positive change for nurses. What a better way to earn the respect that we deserve? These advanced degrees are going to make the title "nurse" have so much more weight. Not that it shouldn't have been respected before, but now "doctors" will realize that they are not the only "doctor" in the room, and can behave accordingly.

    I'm all for it!
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    Quote from L&DWannabe
    Not that it shouldn't have been respected before, but now "doctors" will realize that they are not the only "doctor" in the room, and can behave accordingly.
    Have you worked around physicians very much? Some of these guys/gals are going to be just as arrogant and obnoxious no matter who else is around. Most physicians could care less how much education we get as nurses. They will still see us as subserviant to them, and most will still expect us to follow their orders without question.
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  5. Visit  Metabaronx profile page
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    The question that I have is that since it will change to a Doctorate, will the rate of pay increase as well?
  6. Visit  loveanesthesia profile page
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    Quote from Metabaronx
    The question that I have is that since it will change to a Doctorate, will the rate of pay increase as well?
    I don't beleive it's made any difference for PT, or the PharmD's, doubt it will for CRNAs. On the other hand when you are talking to people in the regulatory bodies about direct reimbursement, it could make some difference over time. But if you want to know if a clinical CRNA with a MS will be paid differently than a CRNA with a DNP, then the answer is almost always "no".
  7. Visit  LetsChill profile page
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    cool. I'm excited.
  8. Visit  Spode profile page
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    That is absurd. If this is true, every school that does not offer a doctoral degree would have to move at the spped of light to get one up and running much last graduate DNP students by that year. Where do people come up with this stuff?
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    Quote from Spode
    That is absurd. If this is true, every school that does not offer a doctoral degree would have to move at the spped of light to get one up and running much last graduate DNP students by that year. Where do people come up with this stuff?
    The DNP is not a lot different than the MSN programs that are out there now, so there is no giant leap that the programs have to go through to make this happen. The biggest hurdle is going to be having enough doctorate prepared instructors, and since for NAs schools the change isn't mandated until 2025 that leaves plenty of time. I believe there are 3 NA schools that have DNP/DNAP programs now, and both military NA schools have plans to change to the DNP before 2015.
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  10. Visit  subee profile page
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    Quote from HieuNgu1155
    Interesting. I kind of want to see how this things turns out even though i hope it dosent. That would mean more schooling and less time to enjoy life
    Good grief. Sigh.
  11. Visit  cookderosa profile page
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    I'm looking at University of Iowa, and they have already made the switch- the MSN isn't even an option. At this point, I'd be a little spooked to even consider a masters instead of a doctorate.
  12. Visit  tgedward profile page
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    As far as the titles used, I have a slight issue with nurses being called DR. near patients. I understand the hard work nurses have to undertake for their degree. However, I don't want patients to get confused who the physician is and who the nurse is. Which can lead to patient confusion and lower quality of care.
  13. Visit  loveanesthesia profile page
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    Quote from tgedward
    Which can lead to patient confusion and lower quality of care.

    Patient confusion I agree, but how would it lead to "lower quality of care". It is very important to me that patients understand I'm an advanced practice nurse, because I provide high quality care.
  14. Visit  wtbcrna profile page
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    Quote from tgedward
    As far as the titles used, I have a slight issue with nurses being called DR. near patients. I understand the hard work nurses have to undertake for their degree. However, I don't want patients to get confused who the physician is and who the nurse is. Which can lead to patient confusion and lower quality of care.
    Physicians don't hold a monopoly over the title of Doctor. Physicians can start introducing themselves as physicians first and then Dr. so and so next. I have worked with CRNAs and other nurses that had their doctorate and none of them called themselves Dr. X around patients mainly because they didn't want to spend the time educating patients on the difference between Doctor/physician and Doctorate/Nurse. In 20yrs time the majority of providers in the hospital are going to be doctorally prepared. It is asinine to believe that calling your pharmacist/occupational therapist/NP/CRNA/physical therapist/speech therapist etc. Doctor X is going to lead to lower quality of care (I would like to see that study). Some patients maybe confused, but it is up to us as healthcare providers/nurses to educate patients about the differences. I still educate patients that think I must be the physician just because I am male, and over the years I have noticed patients in general are getting better with idea that nurses can be males and physicians can be females too.
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