Frontier Bound Class 65???

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hello all! i have completed my application and phone interview and am awaiting to hear if i got in class #65 frontier bound in feb. is anyone out there already accepted or awaiting to hear?? i am getting more nervous as each day comes and no email. on the website it says they will contact you within 7 days from the review completed date which would be dec. 8th, but in my email from them it states "applications are considered on a first-come, first serve basis, all else being equal. applicant files are reviewed on an on-going basis, so as soon as your file is complete it will be reviewed and you will be notified of the committee's decision." should i call or just wait it out?? anyone have any info??

thanks

Am I correct in understanding we arrive for Frontier Bound on Monday between 12 and 5, and depart Friday morning. I think I may fly into another airport and drive down as there are several to choose from that aren't much further away than Lexington (Charlotte, Nashville) Depends on the ticket prices. Any thoughts on this?

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My friend and I both got into Class #65; she is bridge program-I am not. We are both flying down to Lexington the night before and staying in a hotel. We were a little concerned about weather issues in Feb.. I looked for all kinds of flights. I did find a real cheap one to Louisville however, after getting prices on a rental car, I decided that spending the extra money to fly right to Lexington would be a better option. Good luck, and hope to meet you at Frontier Bound!!!

Erica

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Am I correct in understanding we arrive for Frontier Bound on Monday between 12 and 5, and depart Friday morning. I think I may fly into another airport and drive down as there are several to choose from that aren't much further away than Lexington (Charlotte, Nashville) Depends on the ticket prices. Any thoughts on this?

I checked into flying to other airports too and after I had to factor in the rental car, gas, etc... It wasn't going to be any cheaper. Plus I was concerned about the weather (I go in March) and driving on the roads (which I hear are treacherous on a bright sunny day :D) I think I'll just fly into Lexington and let them drive me there the first time.

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I am soooo jealous!!! I am planning on applying and hopefully attending Frontier!! I hope to be in class 68 or possibly 70. (I need to do bridge program) I am currently waiting to take the CPNE at Excelsior, then graduate, take & pass NCLEX, then apply to Frontier. It is sooooo uplifting and encouraging to read all your posts!! Hopefully, I will be posting "I got into class ______ (fill in the blank)" Within the next year or so!!!:D Thanks!!!

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Some things to consider that Frontier does not advertise but you find out when you've been through their system awhile. When you go to frontier bound, look around at your classmates. Only about 20% of them will actually wind up graduating. Frontier makes a lot of money keeping students as long as possible before kicking them out. You cannot judge a program by how happy the instructors look at an event like Frontier Bound. This is a big PR event to suck students into their mythos, then it all goes away. The classes are larger and larger with the same number of faculty. You are a small fish in a very big, very impersonal pond. The school does a very poor job of assisting students with things like clinical contracts. Yes, Frontier has a nice backstory with Mary Breckenridge and all that. There is no teaching at Frontier. Other distance programs do a much better job of teaching online. You are on your own with study guides, hundreds of pages of readings, and if you happen to "get" what the instructor thinks you need to know for exams, great. If not, you will fail exams. Nearly every student fails at least one exam. It is VERY EASY to do this for the reasons I gave. Some instructors have a mission to flunk as many students as possible at the end of the program to kick them out. There is no accountability. I believe there is more accountability in a brick and mortar program because faculty and students are face to face and this changes the power dynamic to more equality between the two. The student directory is filled with "withdrawn" students. This is a euphemism for "kicked out for exam failures or we just don't like you." There is racism at Frontier. For example, very few matriculated black students graduate -- nearly every single one is "withdrawn." There are certain parts of the country where it seems nobody graduates. Some students are allowed to remain after five exam failures -- if you are "liked". Many students have been kicked out in level IV in the past few months alone. Marriages have broken up over this program, students have gone bankrupt, have gotten into horrendous student loan debt, and are kicked out. There is virtually NO faculty or administrative support for students. It is the kiss of death to say anything on the forums critical of the school, asking questions, questioning administrative decisions, &c. Word gets back to administration, even if said on the so-called confidential student forums.

Just another point of view to keep in mind. I am a realist. Frontier has its good points -- but WATCH OUT and cover your back.

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Wow, I don't know where those statistics are coming from, but they don't check out. FNS is accredited by the same accrediting bodies as brick and mortar programs. A program has to meet a certain standard for their graduates to take the national exams for CNM, FNP, WHCNP. Frontier has met those standards at a higher level than most comparable programs. Anyone can check those statistics. I have checked into a ton of programs available and Frontier is the real deal. They made the US news top graduate schools for 2008. I'm sure everyone is aware of all the quality indicators that factor into that rating. One of them is applicant graduation, meaning the number of applicants that actually graduate from the program. Which also means, (I feel I need to be clear to the point of stupidity here) they are graduating more of their applicants than other comparable programs. By no means is Frontier the program for everyone, absolutely not. Some students are just not distant learners period. Those who would excel at a brick and mortar program might not do well at a distance program and vice versa. Frontier reputation in the world of midwifery speaks for itself. I have talked to sooo many CNM in Florida that just have such positive things to say. Not graduates, peers and collegues of those graduates. Having a degree from Frontier speaks for itself. I hope to attend Frontier, but I'm not 100% sure I am going to do their program University of Cincinnati also intrestes me. I just felt I had to respond as someone who has done a ton of homework and research on the subject and the worse I ever heard about Frontier was it could be a little "granola" or a wee bit "earthy". Highly respected program.

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Some things to consider that Frontier does not advertise but you find out when you've been through their system awhile. When you go to frontier bound, look around at your classmates. Only about 20% of them will actually wind up graduating. Frontier makes a lot of money keeping students as long as possible before kicking them out. You cannot judge a program by how happy the instructors look at an event like Frontier Bound. This is a big PR event to suck students into their mythos, then it all goes away. The classes are larger and larger with the same number of faculty. You are a small fish in a very big, very impersonal pond. The school does a very poor job of assisting students with things like clinical contracts. Yes, Frontier has a nice backstory with Mary Breckenridge and all that. There is no teaching at Frontier. Other distance programs do a much better job of teaching online. You are on your own with study guides, hundreds of pages of readings, and if you happen to "get" what the instructor thinks you need to know for exams, great. If not, you will fail exams. Nearly every student fails at least one exam. It is VERY EASY to do this for the reasons I gave. Some instructors have a mission to flunk as many students as possible at the end of the program to kick them out. There is no accountability. I believe there is more accountability in a brick and mortar program because faculty and students are face to face and this changes the power dynamic to more equality between the two. The student directory is filled with "withdrawn" students. This is a euphemism for "kicked out for exam failures or we just don't like you." There is racism at Frontier. For example, very few matriculated black students graduate -- nearly every single one is "withdrawn." There are certain parts of the country where it seems nobody graduates. Some students are allowed to remain after five exam failures -- if you are "liked". Many students have been kicked out in level IV in the past few months alone. Marriages have broken up over this program, students have gone bankrupt, have gotten into horrendous student loan debt, and are kicked out. There is virtually NO faculty or administrative support for students. It is the kiss of death to say anything on the forums critical of the school, asking questions, questioning administrative decisions, &c. Word gets back to administration, even if said on the so-called confidential student forums.

Just another point of view to keep in mind. I am a realist. Frontier has its good points -- but WATCH OUT and cover your back.

Well, I'm not really sure what your source is for this information, or if you yourself were a student. I do know several people who have graduated from the program in recent years and know several more who are well into the program and they disagree with your asessment. The people I asked about this said that they never failed any exams and felt very supported and encouraged by the faculty throughout the tenure of their program. They said that as long as you work hard and put the time in, that you will be successful. It's certainly not easy and there are people who have not made it through the program, but time and hard work are the keys to success. The alumni that I know are great CNM's and have found good jobs that they love!!

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"Some things to consider that Frontier does not advertise but you find out when you've been through their system awhile. When you go to frontier bound, look around at your classmates. Only about 20% of them will actually wind up graduating. Frontier makes a lot of money keeping students as long as possible before kicking them out. You cannot judge a program by how happy the instructors look at an event like Frontier Bound. This is a big PR event to suck students into their mythos, then it all goes away. The classes are larger and larger with the same number of faculty. You are a small fish in a very big, very impersonal pond. The school does a very poor job of assisting students with things like clinical contracts. Yes, Frontier has a nice backstory with Mary Breckenridge and all that. There is no teaching at Frontier. Other distance programs do a much better job of teaching online. You are on your own with study guides, hundreds of pages of readings, and if you happen to "get" what the instructor thinks you need to know for exams, great. If not, you will fail exams. Nearly every student fails at least one exam. It is VERY EASY to do this for the reasons I gave. Some instructors have a mission to flunk as many students as possible at the end of the program to kick them out. There is no accountability. I believe there is more accountability in a brick and mortar program because faculty and students are face to face and this changes the power dynamic to more equality between the two. The student directory is filled with "withdrawn" students. This is a euphemism for "kicked out for exam failures or we just don't like you." There is racism at Frontier. For example, very few matriculated black students graduate -- nearly every single one is "withdrawn." There are certain parts of the country where it seems nobody graduates. Some students are allowed to remain after five exam failures -- if you are "liked". Many students have been kicked out in level IV in the past few months alone. Marriages have broken up over this program, students have gone bankrupt, have gotten into horrendous student loan debt, and are kicked out. There is virtually NO faculty or administrative support for students. It is the kiss of death to say anything on the forums critical of the school, asking questions, questioning administrative decisions, &c. Word gets back to administration, even if said on the so-called confidential student forums.

Just another point of view to keep in mind. I am a realist. Frontier has its good points -- but WATCH OUT and cover your back."

-----Ummmm. Wow. You seem to feel some real bitterness, Truefaith. I'm not quite sure what your situation is or was, but your point of view does seem angry and opinionated instead of factual. If only 20% of classes graduated, the school would not retain accreditation long enough to enroll more classes. I know we've all had our share of teachers that were more difficult than others, but this notion that a large portion of the instructors are "out to flunk you" honestly sounds like something I've heard in a high school classroom. Some instructors are more difficult to please than others-this is a fact of life that reflects the real world in countless ways. We will all have difficult bosses, public encounters, etc. We all encounter different types of prejudice or discrimination throughout our lives. I'm not trying to minimize whatever you've encountered in your journey, I am just wondering how much of it was brought on yourself, and how much was inflicted upon you.

I don't think an exam failure in grad school is an unusual event, especially when students are trying to learn exactly what is expected of them and failing to grasp it. I don't think broken marriages, bankruptcy and misery are so unusual, either. All of these things relate to stress, and grad school is supposed to be very stressful. One of the nurse midwives I love and respect (who went to a highly ranked brick and mortar school) told me she developed a drinking problem in grad school due to the stress and had to deal with it. She did not, however, blame the school.

As for the hundreds of pages of reading, etc. If this does not appeal to you, perhaps you would be better off in a traditional learning environment. I find the idea of being spoon fed information tedious. I found the instructors I spoke to repeatedly emphasized we should contact them with any questions, problems, or things we don't understand. Are they perfect? I doubt it-they're people like you and me.

Your post above reminds me of a thread I was reading in a Frontier Forum where a very disgruntled student was asked to leave the program and her posts were subsequently deleted from the forums, leaving only the replies and things the other students had said about her. They were not favorable.

Good Luck in your journey. I hope you find what you are looking for. I hope you understand that when a post is as spiteful and lacking in factual information as yours was, it becomes very difficult to take your complaints seriously. :wink2:

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CNM2B and SMARK. Just wanted to say thanks for chiming in. :yeah::yeah:And I just have to say SMARK, well done, well done.

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Help! I am applying to Frontier for my FNP. I have a bachelor's degree in psych so I am sending in a portfolio as I have extensive experience in the ER, psych and hospice nursing. I do have to take stats and the one at Frontier is VERY expensive. So, what do you suggest? I have heard the U of Utah has a good one. I am petrified as I am totally brain-dead re: anything with math. I need your support and encouragement.I don't want to let this fear of statistics ruin my dream. I appreciate any and all advice. Thank you all for being here.

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I have heard from the instructor at Frontier who teaches statistics that her course is not a difficult one. They use a program called SPSS, limiting the calculations the student is required to perform. She said most of her students get an A in her course. I am scheduled to take it next semester, I think, as I am a bridge student. Good Luck. :>)

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