Anyone know how HOAG Newport makes you pay $4000 if you quit??

  1. I was curious if anyone out there has first hand experience with Hoag Hospital, Newport Beach making their RN's pay either $2500 or $4000 if they quit within the first 1-2 years of being hired? How do they actually make you pay them back?

    Any other similar situation at a different hospital would be helpful as well

    thanks!
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  2. 9 Comments

  3. by   caliotter3
    Paying for the privilege of quitting? Now that's a good one. Of course, there are some jobs that it would be worthwhile to pay a fortune for the privilege of quitting.
  4. by   NorthBay
    It's probably a clause in their contract — similar to trying to get out of a year long apartment lease or three-year car lease.

    I was offered a position at one of the major hospitals in LA and the recruiter was very clear that there was an 18-month commitment on my part and that, by signing the contract, I was committing to 18-months of service. If i didn't complete the 18-months, there would be financial repercussions. I ended up not accepting that position for other reasons so I don't know what the financial repercussions would have been, but it was VERY CLEAR that I was NOT under ANY circumstances to quit before 18-months or I'd pay the price (pun intended).
  5. by   caroladybelle
    A many new grad hires and hires into certain departments require this.

    Invariably the orientation involved is expensive and time consuming, increases the participant's marketability......and the facility has had a serious problem with people bolting after the facility has spent excessive time, energy and stress. They have taken someone without proper training in a field, paid them salary plus taken up the teaching time of a more productive staffer to get them up to speed, and when they start to actually pull their weight, had them leave. And facilities are tired of losing money and productivity this way.

    Plus, you have those that would qualify and probably keep the job, if it were offered to them....but another wasted their opportunity. Several people lose when the situation repeatedly happens.

    Please review this BB, with regard to new grads that will take any job, work a few weeks/monthes and then when something "better" appears, ditch the employer that paid them full pay when they were not that fully productive.

    You will also find it for ICU/ER/OR nursing internships - requiring 2-3 years for contract. Too many CRNA types, getting their 18 monthes or so and bolting.

    Yes, some places are intolerable as far as work conditions. And in that case, a few thousand bucks is a cheap price and I would gladly pay. But if it deters a few people from wasting others time, with their job hopping for slightly better pay, after people have invested time and energy in their development, it is a valid idea.
  6. by   indreams84
    Dude, give me a job @ Hoag, UCLA, or Cedars-Sinai and Ill GLADLY STAY for that long.....hope hiring picks up by the time I graduate in December!
  7. by   Kashia
    We are in an economic depression. Greediness increasing, not to mention the exacerbation of the plantation system.
    For a heads up...look at history of African slaves in this country...if you were moved to different owner, someone paid.
    Don't see to much difference now!
    If I want to leave my agency and go on staff at facility I worked for through agency, the on staff place has to pay for me- big bucks!
    I do not have freedom.
    That is making a profit off of the human commodity.
    Really sick society we live in.
  8. by   elkpark
    Quote from Kashia
    We are in an economic depression. Greediness increasing, not to mention the exacerbation of the plantation system.
    For a heads up...look at history of African slaves in this country...if you were moved to different owner, someone paid.
    Don't see to much difference now!
    If I want to leave my agency and go on staff at facility I worked for through agency, the on staff place has to pay for me- big bucks!
    I do not have freedom.
    That is making a profit off of the human commodity.
    Really sick society we live in.
    The "difference" is that slaves had/have no choice in the situation; the entire system is operating without their consent and against their will. You chose to work for your agency knowing that there is a steep penalty involved if a facility wants to hire you away from the agency. People choose to sign contracts with hospitals saying that they will owe the hospital a monetary penalty if they leave that employer before a certain time. If these conditions aren't acceptable, you and all the rest of us are free to pass up that opportunity and seek employment elsewhere. You are perfectly free to resign from your current employer if you don't like working for that organization. Employers who insist on these kind of employment conditions are just looking to protect their own interests and finances, same as all the rest of us. I, personally, find it rather offensive to compare this to "slavery" and say that this means you "do not have freedom."
  9. by   AnneS
    Quote from Kashia
    We are in an economic depression. Greediness increasing, not to mention the exacerbation of the plantation system.
    For a heads up...look at history of African slaves in this country...if you were moved to different owner, someone paid.
    Don't see to much difference now!
    If I want to leave my agency and go on staff at facility I worked for through agency, the on staff place has to pay for me- big bucks!
    I do not have freedom.
    That is making a profit off of the human commodity.
    Really sick society we live in.

    Oh no. You didn't just compare the current troubles in finding employment to slavery..... You need to educate yourself about finders fees etc... Its very common, not only in nursing but in every profession.
  10. by   foreverLaur
    I don't think the commitment at Hoag is that long if there is one. I talked to a few girls today that work in the CCU/CVICU and they said they have a lot of people come through, work for a year, and go on to graduate school and they didn't have any financial repercussions for doing so.
  11. by   heron
    Greed certainly exists in the field, but where did anyone get the idea that they are entitled to free training on top of a paycheck? It costs somewhere in the 5-digit range to hire and train a nurse in acute care ... 20-60K in Massachusetts, according to a MA Nurses' Association study in the late 90'. Under those contracts, you are not paying for the "privilege of quitting", you are paying for a small percentage of what it cost to hire and train you in the first place.

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