Interesting article about "diploma mills"

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http://www.upiasia.com/Human_Rights/2008/02/27/university_degrees_for_sale/2995/

This might cause people to get defensive, but I'm curious about the credibility of this site. Does anybody know?

If I may join the converstation...Why do you need stats?. Well its probably not all who uses fake diploma in the US are fired "ALL the TIME" because they are not yet CAUGHT using one anyway...I think I posted some links on page 2 to show that the diploma mill problem is not endemic to the PH...its happening in the US too... And besides what is the real intention of the original poster? Are there any PH educated RN in the US of A caught using a fake diploma ? OH well its google time:typing:typing:typing:typing:typing:typing

If you will please re-read my other comments, I think my point will become clear to you. My issue has less to do with diploma mills, and more to do with presenting one's opinions as fact. It is misleading and unfair for people to state their opinion as if it were fact, and not be able to back it up with clear evidence.

For example, a previous poster stated that diploma mills are "more of an issue in the USA than other countries," and that people "get fired from jobs all the time in the USA" for using falsified diplomas. I then requested statistical evidence that it is, indeed, more of an issue in the US than in other countries...and was pointed to a wikipedia entry! :rolleyes:

Since you are raising the question of whether there are any PI nurses in the US using fake diplomas, I encourage you to read the article I previously cited: http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_release/2009/0604_escudero1.asp The article--an official government press release addressing diploma mills in the Philippines-- includes this excerpt:

The senator pointed to the poor performance of many nursing schools in the country.

Escudero said that the Commission on Audit (COA) had already criticized CHED for failure to shut down non-performing nursing schools whose graduates fail miserably in PRC board exams.

The 39-year old senator said according to COA auditors, there were 19 schools that did not even produce a board passer in the recent past.

"The COA went on to say that from 2001 to 2005, only 111 out of 263 nursing schools nationwide managed to have 50 percent of their graduates pass the licensure examination. It also said that no school offering the nursing program with poor PRC performance has ever been shut down," he said.

I do find it interesting that 42% of nursing schools in the PI have an NLE pass rate of less than 50%! Are these schools considered "diploma mills?" Apparently so, since that is the topic of this government press release. Have any of these diploma mill nurses made it to the US? Probably not, if they can't even pass the NLE...

If you will please re-read my other comments, I think my point will become clear to you. My issue has less to do with diploma mills, and more to do with presenting one's opinions as fact. It is misleading and unfair for people to state their opinion as if it were fact, and not be able to back it up with clear evidence.

For example, a previous poster stated that diploma mills are "more of an issue in the USA than other countries," and that people "get fired from jobs all the time in the USA" for using falsified diplomas. I then requested statistical evidence that it is, indeed, more of an issue in the US than in other countries...and was pointed to a wikipedia entry! :rolleyes:

Since you are raising the question of whether there are any PI nurses in the US using fake diplomas, I encourage you to read the article I previously cited: http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_release/2009/0604_escudero1.asp The article--an official government press release addressing diploma mills in the Philippines-- includes this excerpt:

The senator pointed to the poor performance of many nursing schools in the country.

Escudero said that the Commission on Audit (COA) had already criticized CHED for failure to shut down non-performing nursing schools whose graduates fail miserably in PRC board exams.

The 39-year old senator said according to COA auditors, there were 19 schools that did not even produce a board passer in the recent past.

"The COA went on to say that from 2001 to 2005, only 111 out of 263 nursing schools nationwide managed to have 50 percent of their graduates pass the licensure examination. It also said that no school offering the nursing program with poor PRC performance has ever been shut down," he said.

I do find it interesting that 42% of nursing schools in the PI have an NLE pass rate of less than 50%! Are these schools considered "diploma mills?" Apparently so, since that is the topic of this government press release. Have any of these diploma mill nurses made it to the US? Probably not, if they can't even pass the NLE...

The original article investigated that you could buy a diploma in the PH from fakers for a couple of bucks... Now that is a diploma mill...Same as in the US where you could buy a diploma for a couple of bucks over the internet (they are more tech savvy)..that is a diploma mill...It means that they did not really attend school for 2-4 years and all they have to show is the diploma they bought onlineThey

The non-performing schools in the PH is a different story after all... If that is your definition of a "diploma mill" so be it...Maybe you could start a thread on that one (or there are already heaps of threads here)... Most are legitimate schools, its just that their students are performing poorly and not able to pass the NLE...They did attend school for 2-4 years...its clear to me that it is different from just buying a fake diploma .... Apparently you are right, they havent reach the US yet since they haven't pass the NLE.

Well at least the PH is doing something right now re: non perfoming nursing schools, I hope they implement it properly to remove the doubts of all the haters out there:bow::bow::bow: pls check out this link below

http://www.bonphilippines.org/images/downloads/CMO14series2009BSN.pdf

The non-performing schools in the PH is a different story after all... If that is your definition of a "diploma mill" so be it... Most are legitimate schools, its just that their students are performing poorly and not able to pass the NLE...They did attend school for 2-4 years...its clear to me that it is different from just buying a fake diploma .... Apparently you are right, they havent reach the US yet since they haven't pass the NLE.

Well at least the PH is doing something right now re: non perfoming nursing schools, I hope they implement it properly to remove the doubts of all the haters out there:bow::bow::bow: pls check out this link below

http://www.bonphilippines.org/images/downloads/CMO14series2009BSN.pdf

The issue of non-performing nursing schools was raised in the press release--from the government of the Philippines--that I cited. The press release dealt specifically with the issue of diploma mills. Doesn't matter what I think--you're own Senate is expressing its concern in an article about diploma mills.

I scanned the document you cited, but did not read all 129 pages. It seems to provide thorough guidelines for nursing programs to follow. Whether it will be taken seriously is another matter. As of June, not a single non-performing nursing school has ever been shut down! Guess we'll see whether that changes.

As far haters, count me out. I have worked with many Filipino nurses over the years, and the ones who attended nursing school years ago are fine, competent nurses. The problem is that with so many sub-standard nursing schools sprouting up like weeds, the reputation of Filipino nurses has suffered. This is particularly unfortunate in that so many Filipino nurses work abroad to support the folks back home. Without aggressive action by the government to oversee nursing programs, the problem will only continue to deteriorate. And that's bad for everyone.

Specializes in icu nurse.
Thanks for the update, when a nurse is employed overseas how are the personal references checked ? With the time difference it must be difficult.

-first, reputable recruitment agencies do their initial interview, then

-employers coming from the u.s, middle east, singapore are conducting qualifying exam from the hosp.(some) & personal interview.

-some uses phone interview or webcam

-they can call the hospital (HR office) you've worked for, sometimes they would ask the bed capacity, if it's gov't or private hospital, and other stuff. the contact number is always on the resume of the applicant including other references that would verify that you have worked in that hosp. this is always the process done if youre going to apply.

Also are these the same agencies that allow school to graduate students who never pass their boards ?

- no, the school itself are responsible if they would allow their students to graduate.

Itzallgood, I don't believe you are a nurse. Nursing is not a solitary position it is hard when a co worker is not able to work safely. Nursing credentials are checked, hard to be a nurse with a fake diploma.

I know the foreign nurses have a complicated route to become a RN, but no one from a US Board of Nursing does a site visit. I don't believe the CGFNS does either - it is a paper review. That is why the paper a foreign nurse presents is more critical than a US Nurse since an government official has inspected the school.

Fact is not one poor performing school has ever been closed in the PR.

I agree about the older Philippine nurses who commanded tremendous respect for their clinical knowledge and practice. The US has move forward while the Philippines is medical practice has not kept up.

Specializes in Cardiac.
Thanks for the links, most were old and none mentioned any fake nurses employed. In the US, HR usually verifies your degree by requesting a transcript, I had to sign a waiver for my last job and they sent my transcript.

You'd be suprised...especially during our 'shortage'

Nursing credentials are checked, hard to be a nurse with a fake diploma.

79 nurse imposters on my state board website right now, many of which not only had no valid license, but did not graduate from an approved school of nursing.

I get a quartely newsletter where it describes this all the time.

Many of these nurse imposters practice for a long time before being caught.

And many more graduate from awful money scheming schools that don't teach students a lick of common sense, yet take all their money. And please, the NCLEX is not hard to pass. I've seen some flat out terrible students who had no business being nurses pass that test.

So, diploma mills, poor education, nurse imposters, etc...these things can and do happen in this country.

Itzallgood, I don't believe you are a nurse. Nursing is not a solitary position it is hard when a co worker is not able to work safely. Nursing credentials are checked, hard to be a nurse with a fake diploma. ..

Fact is not one poor performing school has ever been closed in the PR.

I agree about the older Philippine nurses who commanded tremendous respect for their clinical knowledge and practice. The US has move forward while the Philippines is medical practice has not kept up.

He isn't a nurse. He's the husband of a nurse educated in the Phillipines who is sponsoring into the US. A buddy of RedRanger (who hasn't posted since his wife started working in Texas)

Both have very strong opinions on nursing and women in North America.:uhoh3:

He isn't a nurse. He's the husband of a nurse educated in the Phillipines who is sponsoring into the US. A buddy of RedRanger (who hasn't posted since his wife started working in Texas)

Both have very strong opinions on nursing and women in North America.:uhoh3:

Well, at least that explains his ignorance about nursing! But what I don't understand is why these men--who are not nurses--are posting in this forum. I think it's kind of creepy, actually.

(Adding to the creepiness factor, the picture I have in my mind's eye is that of paunchy men in their 40's or 50's, married to "barely legal" Filipino women who were desperate to escape poverty in their own country.)

I wish these men would start their own forum. They have very little of any substance to contribute here.

Well, at least that explains his ignorance about nursing! But what I don't understand is why these men--who are not nurses--are posting in this forum. I think it's kind of creepy, actually.

(Adding to the creepiness factor, the picture I have in my mind's eye is that of paunchy men in their 40's or 50's, married to "barely legal" Filipino women who were desperate to escape poverty in their own country.)

I wish these men would start their own forum. They have very little of any substance to contribute here.

Go read visajourney.com. Scary stuff at times. Our favourites post there.

Go read visajourney.com. Scary stuff at times. Our favourites post there.

Hmmm...interesting. :chair:

Guess the picture in my mind's eye is pretty darn accurate. :chuckle

Looks just like I assumed he'd look...like a middle-aged man...a "mid-life crisis" kind of guy... :uhoh21:

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.

Can I remind members to keep to topic of the thread and discuss 'diploma mills and not other members

Thanks

Well, at least that explains his ignorance about nursing! But what I don't understand is why these men--who are not nurses--are posting in this forum. I think it's kind of creepy, actually.

(Adding to the creepiness factor, the picture I have in my mind's eye is that of paunchy men in their 40's or 50's, married to "barely legal" Filipino women who were desperate to escape poverty in their own country.)

I wish these men would start their own forum. They have very little of any substance to contribute here.

^^^wow that is a very off topic and immature statement. I think you a very ignorant about the Mail order bride issue in the PI or whatever country...Mail order bride is actually illegal in the PI. Please do your research please...Another Alec Baldwin --David Letterman issue in the making....

okay back to the diploma mills.....

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