Interesting article about "diploma mills"

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http://www.upiasia.com/Human_Rights/2008/02/27/university_degrees_for_sale/2995/

This might cause people to get defensive, but I'm curious about the credibility of this site. Does anybody know?

The majority of K1 visas come from the Philippines. I never heard of this until a radio talk host, Art Bell who is in his 60's married a women age 20 several months after his wife of my years died.

The man is a millionaire ( Art Bell) and proudly stated he bought his wife's winter coat in a thrift store. My opinion of Mr Bell was diminished. A young wife of a millionaire and he can only buy second hand crap. I feel having a young wife from a poor country has to tolerate this behavior.

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Read it all, It shall answer all your questions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mills_in_the_United_States

Did you know that wikipeida isn't a credible source? I didn't know this until nursing school, one of our instructors showed us that you can actually go in there and change information to your liking.

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Diploma Mills are in USA as well. Really no way to regulate them. I would dare to say this is more of a issue in the USA than other countries

People get busted and fired from jobs all the time in the USA, They have been caught using fake diplomas from Diploma Mills

This is part of the rise of the internet.

Although I'm not doubting what you're saying to some extent. But if it's coming from the internet, what makes you think that it originated in the US? Since it's the internet it could have come from any country and anybody can buy fake diplomas.

What I'm talking about is "Diploma Mills" out in the streets of Manilla where it's clear where it's coming from. When it's from the internet it can come from just about anywhere and anybody can purchase them, including people from the US.

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And your point is? I know what you're trying to imply by posting this link. You're really stirring the hornet's nest, aren't you?

I think I was pretty clear on what I was asking. I like facts, and since I didn't know the credibility of the website I asked. There are some websites out there that aren't credible like "wikipedia" because you can change the information to your pleasing. For example I don't like newsmax.com (I haven't been to that website in years) because it's an anti-Castro website and it's definately one sided on issues regarding Cuba so I don't like to go to that website. I like to read up on what's going on in Cuba, and newsmax.com isn't the place to visit because they omit a lot of stuff out there regarding Cuba. So I wouldn't use that as a credible site. I hope this answers your question.

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Wes.org site is the one I decided to read at random. From what I got from the article people are thinking that they're getting legitimate diplomas. They're not knowingly purchasing fake transcripts and diplomas and trying to pass them off as authentic. The website that I got my information basically says that the diploma mills out in the streets of Manilla people "are knowingly" purchasing fake diplomas and transcripts. Although I'm not saying they don't exist here, because according to that website it looks like they do exist, but notice that some have moved out of the country and into places where they don't have laws against this. There are scam artists here in the US who are citizens and some also are from other countries trying to scam the people here. If they get caught then they have a way out, back to their country of origin. But what you need to do is to recognize that there are diploma mills in the Philippines and stop being in denial. Admit that they do exist and not everyone coming over her to work as a nurse actually graduated from an accredited nursing school from there. I also want to point out that there was a group of 8-10 imposters who had bought fake diplomas, came over and started working as nurses. Apparently they had been working here in the area for about 2-3 years before they were caught. Now some of the local hospitals are requiring official transcripts from your institution and some of them are actually calling the schools to verify that you went to school there. Now if all hospitals around the country would do this then they can crack down on those imposters.

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I have been absent from this forum for a while and read postings on this thread with some degree of amusement. The scenario, as described in the original link, could have taken place anywhere in the world. I won't necessarily pinpoint the US, because I really mean anywhere in the world. Like several people pointed out, the internet is rife with it. Some bloggers in this forum allude to this very openly. The ones who ask for schools in the Philippines that will graduate them in a year or so. Well, bully to them! I sincerely hope they get what they deserve.

I believe there are enough safeguards in BONs all over the world to protect themselves from these unscrupulous agents of deceit. The fact that nursing schools in the Philippines have sprouted like mushrooms is indeed alarming. However, the reputable schools continue to produce excellent nurses. They're the constants in the equation and the ones that seem to be overlooked in these discussions. They do exist. Sadly though, the focus seems to be always on the negative, seldom, if ever, on the positive.

I am confident, that Filipinos who cheated themselves out of a good education in exchange for their hard-earned cash, will eventually realize that short cuts don't work. That a beautifully printed diploma is not worth the paper it's written on, if there are no skills and learning to match.

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http://www.upiasia.com/Human_Rights/2008/02/27/university_degrees_for_sale/2995/

This might cause people to get defensive, but I'm curious about the credibility of this site. Does anybody know?

I've heard of these illegal establishments especially in the particular section of Manila described in the article from as far as I can remember. These unscrupulous individuals sometimes offer other services such as "term papers for sale" for college students who are too lazy to do the work themselves. While I have not heard of anyone who purchased an academic degree in this manner and successfully passed the string of exams and documentation required to work in the US (i.e., NLE, CGFNS, Visa Screen, NCLEX), the possibility of a clever imposter who have the brains to crack the system using this approach is not totally unthinkable. I am just hoping that sooner or later, the imposter would get caught and would end up paying severely for falsifying documents and misrepresentation.

I also believe that the issue behind "diplomas for sale" operations in Manila is completely separate form the issue behind poor performing nursing schools in the Philippines. The article clearly stated that individuals with ill-intentions can easily purchase fake academic degrees including counterfeit transcripts of records from well-known universities in the Philippines. We are talking big-name universities that produce many of the "good" nurses that can handle the demands of working in the Philippines or abroad. On the other hand, students who graduate from poorly performing schools have the "real" academic degree but have earned no knowledge or skill sufficient enough to help them pass the NLE, much less function at a beginning staff nurse level even in the Philippine setting.

Both are problems the government in the Philippines needs to seriously take immediate action to stop in order to repair this somewhat tarnished perception of professionals coming from that country. It is a shame because I do believe that there are exceptional future nurses who attend reputable nursing schools in the Philippines. These deserving future colleagues become victims of stereotyping and are not being recognized for maintaining their integrity.

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If you can easily purchase them out in the streets then there is a problem that needs to be taken care of. It's operations like this that give Filipino nurses a bad name. I know there are excellent nursing schools in the Philippines that produced excellent nurses. I've had the pleasure of working with those nurses.

However the original article that I posted has to do with purchasing fake diplomas and transcripts out in the streets of Manila. It's a sad thing, and yes I know for a fact that some have gone that route. It's either blatantly obvious that they went that route, or they just bragged that they did this. Which to me isn't the smart thing to do because anybody can turn you in. One nurse I know of right now is under investigation for that reason. She says that she actually went to nursing school there in the Philippines, but she graduated high school here in the US. Which most likely she would have graduated from high school at age 18 and gotten her RN at age 22, well she was only 20 years old at the time she supposedly received her BSN. So I think that's what raised eyebrows at my last employment. She also didn't seem to know much about nursing when she was first hired. The CNA's new more than she did. Well I saw her a few weeks ago and she's not working as a nurse right now because she's under investigation. She seems calm, but the age thing is what's making me wonder and observing her working on the floor also raised my eyebrow. Nothing that she has stated adds up.

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If you can easily purchase them out in the streets then there is a problem that needs to be taken care of. It's operations like this that give Filipino nurses a bad name. I know there are excellent nursing schools in the Philippines that produced excellent nurses. I've had the pleasure of working with those nurses.

However the original article that I posted has to do with purchasing fake diplomas and transcripts out in the streets of Manila. It's a sad thing, and yes I know for a fact that some have gone that route. It's either blatantly obvious that they went that route, or they just bragged that they did this. Which to me isn't the smart thing to do because anybody can turn you in. One nurse I know of right now is under investigation for that reason. She says that she actually went to nursing school there in the Philippines, but she graduated high school here in the US. Which most likely she would have graduated from high school at age 18 and gotten her RN at age 22, well she was only 20 years old at the time she supposedly received her BSN. So I think that's what raised eyebrows at my last employment. She also didn't seem to know much about nursing when she was first hired. The CNA's new more than she did. Well I saw her a few weeks ago and she's not working as a nurse right now because she's under investigation. She seems calm, but the age thing is what's making me wonder and observing her working on the floor also raised my eyebrow. Nothing that she has stated adds up.

Why won't see she be calm, since from what you said she didn't go to nursing school. So much for the very complex and detailed evaluation the nurses go through. I wonder how she passed the NCLEX?

Yes, to be a RN with a BSN at age 20 you would have to complete 4 years of school in 2. I wonder though since the Philippine you finish high school at year 10 I wonder if they gave her college credit for 11 th and 12 th grade.

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Well, at least that explains his ignorance about nursing! But what I don't understand is why these men--who are not nurses--are posting in this forum. I think it's kind of creepy, actually.

(Adding to the creepiness factor, the picture I have in my mind's eye is that of paunchy men in their 40's or 50's, married to "barely legal" Filipino women who were desperate to escape poverty in their own country.)

I wish these men would start their own forum. They have very little of any substance to contribute here.

Well, you might be very happy, fulfilled and satisfied with what you just did to this guy. Those who give kudos feel the same way as well. Anyway, nobody can really see who you REALLY are because this is just a forum. Maybe one of you is of 59 years old, a princess during the day but an OGRE at night.:yeah::yeah::yeah::bow::bow::bow:

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=LatinaVNStudentRN2B;3749806]If you can easily purchase them out in the streets then there is a problem that needs to be taken care of. It's operations like this that give Filipino nurses a bad name.

Why would someone selling fake degrees have any link to a Filipno Nurse?

I can walk down street in Manila tomorrow and buy fake Rolexes, fake Coach Bags, etc, Does that also give Filipino Nurses Bad names?

I can also walk go down any street in Vietnam and China and purchase all the above items. In USA people can purchase fake Social Security ID's With Numbers at Flea markets, and get Fake ID's made, Does that make Filipino's Bad Nurses?

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Here is some more interesting information

http://www.bne.state.tx.us/disciplinaryaction/imposters2009.html

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