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I see where your frustration is coming from, but please don't let it get the better of you. Is relocating to another province an option? Manitoba seems to be still hiring. You sound to me like a young IEN with a lot of promise. You just came at a time when the job picture has grown really bad. Hang in there and keep your eyes and ears open for opportunities outside BC. I read somewhere that the hiring pattern for nurses in Canada is cyclical. That if the cycle were a "U," it's now at the bottom with an upswing starting to happen. Use this time to get yourself ready for that next wave of hiring frenzy. Check out colleges in other provinces, and choose the one that will work best with the credentials that you have at present. Good luck!

Thank you. As you wish...

Feigning innocence where it does not exist, only adds to one's culpability. If one can't or won't accept criticism, but can and will dish it out so freely to the entire Philippine nursing profession, then one should just keep one's peace . Spewing unkind generalizations disrespects the memory of the people who worked hard, so that the profession of nursing in the Philippines will earn world recognition. True, the Reign of Greed somehow tarnished our reputation. So many graduated, even those who should never have been nurses in the first place. Case in point..... ??? Despite that, there are still schools that to this day, uphold the high standards that the founders intended for the profession. They did not cease to exist, only got outnumbered by places that offered quick fixes.

I believe this is the same poster who says she's ashamed to be a Filipino nurse? Clinical Instructors and lecturers with no hospital experience? - Page 8- Nursing for Nurses No. 76 Referencing the post on the link above, as well as the inanities/absurdities (even some vulgarity) written in this post, the question begs: what is this person trying to prove? What's the point in posing a question, when you seem to have the answers all figured out (that is, judging from your other post)? This forum is for professional people whose aim is to help each other navigate the challenges facing nurses in different parts of the world. It is disrespectful to weigh in on it any other way. Besides, you can't change the geography of your birth, you know. Neither can you change the color of your skin. You will do all Filipino nurses a great favor by not identifying yourself as one of us, then bad-mouthing us on the next breath. That simply shows poor breeding, never mind unpatriotic or un-nationalistic.

This poster obviously did not graduate from a school that upheld the high standards that made the label Filipino Nurse a badge of honor, in the good ole' days. Such schools do exist, even during the mass-production days. Too, I can't imagine anyone stating that she is neither patriotic nor nationalistic, or that she'll do anything to get out of her motherland. That's one other thing that the Reign of Greed produced: people who have no love of country nor pride in themselves, and who don't think twice before making such statements in an international forum. These attestations don't endear you to anyone or earn you brownie points.

Those who want the shortest cut to obtain a diploma aren't doing themselves and their would-be patients any favor. There's a reason why "schools" with no academic standards to speak of thrive: there are people who actually pay good money to keep them operating. To those that say "it depends on the student," I beg to differ in the strongest possible terms. Passing the local board exams, even the NCLEX, is no guarantee that one has the necessary skills-set to practice the profession. Written tests and skills are two very different things which should go hand-in-hand. The school where you get your training sets the standard for the skills that you acquire. Hence, no set standard means you're on your own, just pay our fees and we'll give you a diploma. This is how greed and corruption tarnished the reputation of nursing education in the Philippines, which was painstakingly built by the best minds in the profession not too long ago. Sad....

From the sound of it, this poster used "extra effort" to get a tourist visa to the US. Tsk, tsk....

20 is actually 4% of 500, which, in any language, is an extremely dismal performance by any school, by any standard. This is clearly a case when one can't say "it's not about the school, it's about the student." For if such were the line of reasoning each time, what's the point in paying the school tons of money in the first place? The subject institution must be one of the schools that the Technical Committee wanted to close in 2005, before it was overruled by higher powers which resulted in the TC members resigning en masse. What a shame.......

Begging your pardon, but I think there are rules in this forum about writing in text language. Let's show some courtesy to the moderators and other posters by observing the rules. Besides, writing with correct spelling and proper punctuation will serve you well when it will be time to chart in the workplace. Happy holidays!

I am willing to bet my last devalued peso that your classmate didn't get her diploma from a school. She more likely went to a forger and bought a cleverly crafted facsimile. Offers of counterfeit diplomas are all over the internet, one does not have to travel all the way to the Philippines to get one. Crooks multiply at such amazing speed because of people like your classmate. They are the kind of people who do not have a place in the nursing profession, nor in civilized society.

I am not familiar with the Master's Program at UERM but if it's any help, this school is one of only 5 in the country that is considered as a Center of Excellence for Nursing Education.

Am I correct in my understanding, that you really don't know how much the filing fees are? Seriously. Can't you Google that? Didn't you do any research prior to making the decision to apply as an immigrant to Canada? Sorry for responding with more questions. I just find it inconceivable that anyone can make a life-altering decision like immigrating to another country, without getting facts to support that decision. And, really, filing fees are pretty basic. Why don't you just Google what filing fees you're being billed for and do the Math? As well, the embassy website would have information on the acceptable mode of payment. It's no great mystery. You just have to have some amount of initiative to go after what you need. Good luck!

I will have to agree with Jan's observation. While some slack may be allowed the latest poster on account of her obvious youth, the question she presented is something that's been asked over and over again. It begs the question, "Haven't you done any kind of research on the current employment requirements/opportunities in Canada?" Seriously. Unfortunately, it also reflects a common mindset among some people. I do not wish to offend any one, but some of the questions that have been posted on this forum can only be described as too inane for words. Some show an abject lack of sensitivity, cultural or otherwise. For example, the use of the phrases, "stepping-stone until retrogression is lifted," "fastest/easiest processing," wanting to dodge the SEC, etc. I respectfully suggest to newcomers to the forum to take time to read the stickies above the first thread in all their regions of concern. It would save a lot of time and show some appreciation for the effort of those who put them there in the first place.

do i think it's worth to study nursing in the philippines, you ask? my answer to that is an absolute, unequivocal yes, if and only if you take up the course in the right institution. the definition of right will certainly vary from one person to the next, but seeing that you've devoted a whole year's research into the subject gives me reason to believe that you're a serious student. with all due respect to sisc's nursing program, how can it have a passing rate of 92% if the program itself is only 2 years old? how can it have produced a graduating class at all? is the program one of those fast-track kinds? in the study of nursing, two things should go hand in hand: theoretical knowledge and practical skills. you first study the theories, and then apply what you learned to a real living, breathing person. from simple cases, you will advance to more complex ones, and your critical thinking process will be developed and challenged over and over again. this is how you develop the clinical eye. one huge problem today, is with so many nursing schools in the country, there are not enough hospitals where students can acquire practical skills. sure, many claim that their school is affiliated with this and that government/teaching hospital, but, seriously, how many hospitals are there versus the number of students? last year alone, over 160,000 took the nle. if you take that figure and compare it with the number of hospitals, the student/patient ratio alone would be enough to make you weep! if, for example, there are 20 students assigned to a single patient (to make for the hours required for the nle), do you honestly believe that the learning process can take place in that kind of situation? if each student will be required to come up with a nursing care plan, do you think each plan will be unique? seriously. the established schools, on the other hand, have either their own training hospitals or a history of affiliation with hospital training institutions, long before nursing was the "it" course. they also kept their admission levels low, and held high standards in choosing the members of their faculty i've copied/pasted hereunder a 2005 ched-published list of the top 12 nursing schools in the country, which was the result of a 5-year study, from 2000-2004. the study was triggered by the number of nursing schools that were applying for permits at such an alarming rate. at that time, there were 175 schools. presently, there are almost 500, or an increment of about 75 schools per year. i rest my case. you will notice that of the 12, 5 are in metro manila. this would be a good place to start your consideration. surely there are others, and since research is a strong suit, i'm sure you'll be able to identify them. just keep in mind that theory and practice should always go together. you can't acquire practical skills if the patient exists only in textbooks. it just doesn't work that way. i'm not familiar with the arellano university program, but a classmate was the former dean. i'll find out from her and write another post on the subject. the best of luck to you jadayu, it's refreshing to see a young person with such serious intent. i'm sure you'll make an excellent nurse. top philippine performing nursing schools from wikipilipinas: the hip 'n free philippine encyclopedia jump to: [color=#002bb8]navigation, [color=#002bb8]search the commission on higher education (ched) tries to regulate the newly established nursing schools to ensure that they met the minimum quality and standards of nursing education. in line with this, ched, together with the professional regulatory commission (prc) released, on april 2005, a statistics of top performing nursing schools in the philippines based on the board exam passing rates for 2000-2004. out of 175 nursing schools, only 12 had a passing rates of 90% or higher. here is the list of the top 12 performing nursing schools in the philippines with their respective passing rates 90% or higher. by rank order: 1. [color=#002bb8]university of the philippines, manila- manila 100% 2. [color=#002bb8]st. paul college- iloilo- iloilo 99.57% 3. [color=#002bb8]silliman university - dumaguete city 98.39 4. [color=#002bb8]west visayas state university- iloilo 97.06% 5. [color=#002bb8]university of santo tomas- manila 96.67% 6. [color=#002bb8]saint louis university - baguio city 95.05 7. [color=#002bb8]mindanao state university - marawi city 95.0% 8. [color=#cc2200]st. paul college-dumaguete - dumaguete city 93.38 9. [color=#002bb8]pamantasan ng lungsod ng maynila - manila 92.53% 10. [color=#002bb8]saint mary's university - bayombong, nueva viscaya 91.02% 11. [color=#cc2200]st. paul college manila- manila 90.81% 12. [color=#002bb8]university of the east ramon magsaysay memorial medical center - quezon city 90.57%

I honestly don't think there's a valid or sound enough reason to explain that kind of behaviour. That "pack mentality" smacks of immaturity, insecurity, even. I guess those people don't feel confident enough with their professional and interpersonal skills, that they have a need for each other's protection in the real world. One other thing that I think they lack, is the preparation for a thorough understanding of the culture of the host country, and a serious grasp of how they're supposed to conduct themselves as guest workers. It's not enough that they do the job that they're supposed to do, what they're being paid to do. Just as important, is how they conduct themselves as representatives of the Philippines in another country. There's a painful twitch in my heart whenever I come across this kind of observation about our people. But, there are good and bad people in every country in the world. Sadly, it's the bad people that make more impact in everyone's mind.