Interesting article about "diploma mills"

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http://www.upiasia.com/Human_Rights/2008/02/27/university_degrees_for_sale/2995/

This might cause people to get defensive, but I'm curious about the credibility of this site. Does anybody know?

Thanks for the links, most were old and none mentioned any fake nurses employed. In the US, HR usually verifies your degree by requesting a transcript, I had to sign a waiver for my last job and they sent my transcript.

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you can not use these fake documents anymore, even if someone buys it, agencies have their way of knowing if it's real or not. In the Phils. agencies verify the documents like license, OTR & diploma through gov't agencies like the PRC, DFA & CHED they will authenticate it and these are the requirement before applying abroad. And before hiring someone the agency will verify your certificate of employment by calling the hospital where you've previously or currently working, they will even call the supervisor or head nurse in your department.

anyone can also verify license online by going to the professional regulation commission website. before a filipino can work abroad, they will have to undergo strict evaluation on their credentials first.

Thanks for the update, when a nurse is employed overseas how are the personal references checked ? With the time difference it must be difficult.

Also are these the same agencies that allow school to graduate students who never pass their boards ?

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Thanks for the links, most were old and none mentioned any fake nurses employed. In the US, HR usually verifies your degree by requesting a transcript, I had to sign a waiver for my last job and they sent my transcript.

The original article posted by LatinaVN is about the "diploma mills" in the PH , I posted some "Interesting links" above to different articles of Diploma Mills in the US too which decreases the value of the education for some Americans (whether you are an RN or any other profession). I guess the diploma mill controversy is a problem shared by many nations in the world.

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Specializes in OR.

Documents needed by NCSBN for Visa Screen and different state Boards from foreign applicants need to be sent directly by the school to these agencies (using official sealed envelopes and letterheads from the school). TORs and diplomas sent by the applicants themselves are not accepted....I think it would be difficult for an applicant with fake TORs and diplomas to get through these agencies. With internet, it would be easy to verify if someone is really a graduate of a certain institution or not.

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Thanks for the links...

Very scary stories! :eek:

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The original article posted by LatinaVN is about the "diploma mills" in the PH , I posted some "Interesting links" above to different articles of Diploma Mills in the US too which decreases the value of the education for some Americans (whether you are an RN or any other profession). I guess the diploma mill controversy is a problem shared by many nations in the world.

very well said, retsimnaeb.:yeah:

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"When Filipino nurses protested against a popular U.S. television series -- one of the show's characters had supposedly made a discriminatory remark about nurses graduating from the Philippines" ...got this out of the article. I didnt know filipino nurses got nailed too. Which show was that? :smokin::smokin::smokin:

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"When Filipino nurses protested against a popular U.S. television series -- one of the show's characters had supposedly made a discriminatory remark about nurses graduating from the Philippines" ...got this out of the article. I didnt know filipino nurses got nailed too. Which show was that? :smokin::smokin::smokin:

I don't recall any remarks about Filipino nurses on any US TV show. I do remember that there was a joke made about Filipino doctors on "Desperate Housewives" a few years ago. It was a short, one-line joke in a TV show full of jokes. It was barely noticeable; it would have been soon forgotten, except for the fact that--from an American point of view-- it was totally blown out of proportion by the Philippine government and nearly became an international incident.

Americans frequently poke fun at ourselves and others on our TV shows, and don't give it a second thought. Most of us found it very odd for a foreign government to have such a disproportionate response to a brief comedic comment on a US TV show.

It's not my intent to open a "can of worms" about this--it was discussed at length in this forum in 2007. I am merely responding to the poster's question.

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More of an issue in the US than in other countries? Do you have a similar reference (i.e. major news organization) that supports your claim? Certainly it would be inappropriate to "dare to say" something like that without concrete evidence to back it up. Please share your source.

I'm also interested in your claim that people in the US get fired "all the time" for using fake diplomas. Do you have a statistic that supports your claim? I've lived in the US my entire life and I have never known anyone who has been fired for using a fake diploma. Kindly share your source that this happens "all the time."

This is a forum: a place to share information and opinions. I find it misleading, however, when people attempt to present their own opinions as fact. The original poster offered a link to a UPI news story about diploma mills in the Philippines. Subsequent posters have attempted to "turn the tables" by pointing their fingers at the US, making unsubstantiated claims that it's even more of a problem in the US. It's the same reaction that small children have when caught doing something wrong--pointing the finger at others. It's also a good example of what my Filipino co-workers refer to as "crab mentality."

Read it all, It shall answer all your questions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mills_in_the_United_States

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this is too funny, a senior director of the dept. of homeland security got busted using a fake diploma. this is the same agency that issues visa's into the usa.

here is some of the article

"in 2004, laura callahan resigned from the united states department of homeland security after it was learned that she had received her doctorate from the unaccredited hamilton university (not to be confused with the fully accredited hamilton college in clinton, new york). callahan had previously been a senior director at the dhs and held supervisory positions at the united states department of labor and within the bill clinton white house. according to an article in reason magazine, “the (callahan) scandal raises serious doubts about the government's ability to vet the qualifications of public employees on whom the nation's security depends.”

the callahan scandal caused a public outcry that stimulated an 11-month congressional investigation into fraudulent use of and reimbursement for non-qualifying academic degrees by government workers, the first such major inquiry since operation dipscam. a 2004 report[26] released by the government accountability office (gao) detailed a pattern of widespread and ongoing abuse by numerous federal employees, based on information provided by three unaccredited schools that cooperated with the initial probe. the institutions, california coast university, kennedy-western university, and pacific western university, represented a small fraction of the dozens of suspected diploma mills in existence nationwide. the particular concern addressed was that the regulations allowing federal funding of degrees mandate that the program must be accredited. note that california coast university has since gained national accreditation and is fully accredited by the detc, which has department of education approval to accredit degree programs.

463 federal employees were discovered to have been enrolled in the three schools at the time of the inquiry. the department of defense had the highest number of enrollees, with 257 employees registered. the gao also found that the government itself had paid at least $170,000 for questionable "coursework" by federal employees at california coast and kennedy-western alone, and believed that even this amount had been significantly understated by the institutions involved.

the gao report revealed that at least 28 senior-level employees had obtained their degrees from diploma mills or unaccredited universities, while cautioning that "this number is believed to be an understatement." the implicated officials included three unnamed national nuclear security administration managers with emergency operations responsibility and top "q level" security clearance allowing access to sensitive nuclear weapons information. in may 2004, nnsa spokesman brian wilkes told reporters that "the [managers'] conditions of employment did not rest on the education that they were claiming," and that the revelations would not affect their job status.[27]

many of the federal officials implicated in the scandal were never publicly named, and their status remains unclear. charles abell, the principal deputy undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, was identified by the press as having obtained his master's degree from columbus university of new orleans, an unaccredited distance learning school. daniel p. matthews, chief information officer for the department of transportation (which oversees the transportation security administration) was reported to have received his $3,500 bachelor of science degree from kent college (not to be confused with kent state university in kent, ohio), a diploma mill in mandeville, louisiana. in spite of these revelations, both remained in their positions and continued to hold security clearances.[28] abell continued in his defense department job until august 2005, when he joined the staff of the united states senate committee on armed services, where he remained until 2007."

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Read it all, It shall answer all your questions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mills_in_the_United_States

It doesn't appear to answer a single question. Please re-read my original comment.

I requested you provide statistics from a reputable news source to support your claims....and you're offering a Wikipedia entry as a reference??

:chuckle:chuckle:chuckle

Oh, well...at least you made me laugh!

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It doesn't appear to answer a single question. Please re-read my original comment.

I requested you provide statistics from a reputable news source to support your claims....and you're offering a Wikipedia entry as a reference??

:chuckle:chuckle:chuckle

Oh, well...at least you made me laugh!

If I may join the converstation...Why do you need stats?. Well its probably not all who uses fake diploma in the US are fired "ALL the TIME" because they are not yet CAUGHT using one anyway...I think I posted some links on page 2 to show that the diploma mill problem is not endemic to the PH...its happening in the US too... And besides what is the real intention of the original poster? Are there any PH educated RN in the US of A caught using a fake diploma ? OH well its google time:typing:typing:typing:typing:typing:typing

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