filipino to migrate in Canada.... what to do to become a RN? - page 18

i am new to this forum. i am a r.n. in philippines and will migrate in canada (vancouver). i haven't actually practiced my profession as a nurse in hospital setting instead as a company nurse. ... Read More

  1. by   5cats
    Part of SEC is clinical (scenarios) how do you want to take that online????
    It is how it is, you have to travel to Canada to get the assessment done, if you need one, same goes for CRNE.

    5cats
  2. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    Quote from imokfurok
    aw..i was thinking i could take it online. that means i need to aplly for a visa to go there if in case ill take a sec assessment. any advice for an applicant like me whos not in canada.
    thanks a lot
    Let's clear something up about the SEC. There are many things that are being evaluated when you undergo the process. The examiners are looking at far more than what you know about nursing. They look at how competently you perform skills, how carefully you plan your care, how well you organize your time, how you interact with others, how you react in stressful situations and so much more. One of the most important aspects they want to assess is how well you will fit into the nursing role as it exists in Canada. Here we are expected to function autonomously within our scope of practice, making decisions and carrying them out without a lot of guidance or supervision from anyone. If you aren't even sure what the scope of practice is, you will struggle. If your educational preparation and scope of practice in your country is markedly different that ours, you won't know where to begin. Therefore, SEC cannot be carried out in any other way than face-to-face direct observation. That's why you have to come to Canada to do it. That's why I said the process is expensive.

    As for the CRNE, it has been stated many times in this and other threads that you must come to Canada to write it. There are no foreign locations for writing the CRNE and there probably won't be for many years to come. You can certainly apply to write from abroad, once your eligibility has been confirmed following assessment of your credentials by the College of Nursing and any SEC components they may feel are necessary, but you MUST write the exam in Canada. My personal view of that is that it weeds out those who aren't committed to their goal of working in Canada. If you're willing to go through the entire process from start to finish and do whatever is required, then you're more than welcome to come and work with us. But if you balk at any stage of it because of the "inconvenience" or expense, then you really only wanted an easy out and it's likely that if something better comes along, you'll take it. Then where are we (the collective "we", Canadians), but back to Square One?
  3. by   janelf
    hi, i just want to ask whether it is the nursing board or the employers right or decision to ask an ien to take the sec? actually it is clear to me that if crnbc find that you lack somethings based on their assessment, they do sometimes ask you to take sec. but what i am confused because i know someone who already passed the crne last october but an agency told her that in order to be successful in her employment, they recommend that international nurses complete the competency assessment and enhancement for nurses program at kwantlen university college. correct me if i am wrong, but i guess this is same as sec right?
    so, why do they ask for this since the offcial regulatory board for nursing in vancouver did not even asked for this?
    i hope someone could help me with these confusions:spin: that i have. thank's.:wink2:
  4. by   janelf
    Another friend of mine already passed the CRNexam last October. He's on a tourist visa and still in BC, Canada. So, since his visa isn't expired yet, he utilized his time looking for employers. The problem is, he is now confused because he really doesn't know what to get first. Ok, this is what happened: :thnkg:Since he passed already his CRNE, CRNBC requires him to finish 250 hours of supervised nursing to attain full registration. They will give him an interim permit, but he needs to get an employer first who will sign the neccessary papers for the release of the interim permit. Ok sounds easy. But when he started applying for jobs, agencies/facilities are asking for an interim permit from him? So what confuses him is what should come first? the inerim from crnbc or the an employer? So it's like asking which came first, Chicken or egg:spin:?
    Please do help us with this inquiries. I am also concerened because I am planning take the same path that my friend took.
    Thank you.
  5. by   5cats
    Your friend should have a letter stating the eligibility for the interim permit. That should satisfy potential employers.
    SEC is asked by the College of Nursing BEFORE someone is eligible to take CRNE to determine if education and skills are equivalent. Employers can demand that you're doing a program offered by many Colleges/Universities for IEN to get to know the Canadian health system and integrating better. Names for those programs and length vary. Some also cover language as well.
    5cats
  6. by   janelf
    Thank you so much 5cats.
    hmmm, may I ask what is that eligibility for interim permit is? I haven't heard of that and I think it's not in CRNBC's site? What is it? Is it a letter wherein CRNBC certifies that the said person is eligible to apply coz they will produce an interim once they(employer) hires the person?
    So you could include that letter together with your cover letter upon your application?
    Another thing, do you have any idea where should a person who just recently passed the CRNE and have to complete the 250 hours should apply, wherein hiring possibility is higher? Coz I heard that it is hard to apply here in Greater Vancouver specially in hospitals compared to outskirts and provincial BC areas?
    Thank you and God Bless.
  7. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    Let's see if I can make this clear. In Canada, the provincial Colleges of Nursing regulate the practice of all registered nurses in that province. Each College is required by law under the Regulated Health Care Professionals Act of each province to ensure the competence and fitness to practice of every single nurse they register. The legislation also contains specific terms for comprehensive examinations prior to registration. Employers are required by the same legislation to employ only those nurses who have been registered by the College. The SEC is a tool the Colleges in Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and BC (and likely country-wide sooner or later) use to meet the legal requirements for competence in those provinces. Alberta developed the assessment tool in 2007; the other provinces have adopted it in recent weeks as they've seen too many newly-registered IENs failing to meet competence requirements after the fact. The bridging programs such as the Kwantlen program janelf mentioned are another tool the College uses to ensure fitness to practice. But they are not the same.

    The 250 hours of supervised employment required in BC must be obtained through a Canadian employer. An employer who is willing to take on an IEN for long-term employment will know about that requirement. As 5cats said, once the CRNBC has proof of success on the CRNE, the applicant is eligible upon submitting all the pertinent documentation fees to receive temporary registration. And once the 250 hours of supervised practice have been completed and documented the temporary registration automatically converts to full registration.

    Do not make the mistake of applying for work in a community that you have no desire to live in just to obtain the 250 hours of supervised practice. If you wnat to live in Vancouver, look in VANCOUVER. You will not score any points if you work for two months in Osoyoos and then quit to go work in Coquitlam. In fact you'll be viewed as an employment risk. The easiest way to find employers who are hiring is to look at the health regions' websites under "careers" and apply on those positions that you qualify for.
    Last edit by NotReady4PrimeTime on Feb 18, '09 : Reason: added another paragraph
  8. by   janelf
    thank's janfrn for the info and advice.
    I just wannna ask what do you mean when you said that once the CRNBC has proof of success on the CRNE, the applicant is eligible upon submitting all the pertinent documentation fees to receive temporary registration?
    This is how I understood it and pls correct me if I am wrong: Once passing the CRNE, that person will receive a temporary registration?
    Do they give a paper/certificate stating that you are on temporary registration? where's the eligibility for interim permit? Is it also stated there?
    Pls bear with me, with my questions, I just want to know specific details so that when my time comes that I will be in that situation it is much easier to plan and handle things. Thank you.
  9. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    Have you read anything on the CRNBC website? http://www.crnbc.ca/downloads/565.pdf is very easy to follow.

    You write the CRNE. When you pass, you apply for registration with CRNBC. As an IEN, you are only eligible for temporary registration until you complete the 250 hours of supervised work experience. Following me so far? You submit the documentation (it's listed on the fact sheet, page 1, left side of the page about 2/3 of the way down) and pay for registration ($350 plus 5% tax). Yes, they give you a piece of paper that says you have temporary registration. Clear? Then when you've successfully completed your supervised work experience and submit your proof, they immediately convert your registration to full registration. Got that? You're looking at perhaps a year before you'll get to this point, although with the state of the economy right now, there might not be a job for you by then. It's hard to say.
  10. by   janelf
    Thank you for that detailed info.
    I am easily confused since I hadn't tried applying yet and neither know anyone who was able to get a temp reg., so thank's for all of those info.
    ELIGIBILITY
    Nurses from other countries may be eligible for temporary
    registration if they:
    �� have applied to write the registration examination and
    have a B.C. employer agreeing to provide supervision;
    --> This information is very clear, what I think happened to my friends )in my previous posts)was that, he couldn't find an employer who wants to hire someone like him, who is on a (1)tourist visa and (2)recently passed the CRNE.
    That's why he's really lost right now on were to begin because facilities asks him if he has a working visa together with the interim. How can he get an interim since he doesn't have an employer yet. So I think, he has not really met an employer who does have interest in nurses like his status. They don't want the hassle of processing the visas, having him supervised.
    He is loosing hope right now and I don't know what to advice him, he's been looking for an employer since he got the result last nov, so it's been 3 months now.
    Pls do give me advice that could help him. Thank's to all.
  11. by   NotReady4PrimeTime
    Quote from janelf
    --> This information is very clear, what I think happened to my friends )in my previous posts)was that, he couldn't find an employer who wants to hire someone like him, who is on a (1)tourist visa and (2)recently passed the CRNE.
    That's why he's really lost right now on were to begin because facilities asks him if he has a working visa together with the interim. How can he get an interim since he doesn't have an employer yet. So I think, he has not really met an employer who does have interest in nurses like his status. They don't want the hassle of processing the visas, having him supervised.
    He is loosing hope right now and I don't know what to advice him, he's been looking for an employer since he got the result last nov, so it's been 3 months now.
    Pls do give me advice that could help him. Thank's to all.
    There really isn't anything you can do to help him. He put the cart before the horse and didn't do his homework. An employer is NOT going to hire anyone on a tourist visa because it's against the law. End of story. And why would an employer want to take on all the problems that will accompany hiring someone like this who clearly didn't understand that a tourist visa means you can't work? To say nothing of the expense. Canada's hospitals are funded entirely by the taxpayer and although people would like to have more nurses in them, they aren't really happy when money is spent on things that they don't perceive as good value, such as fees for paperwork for someone who might never actually materialize. For the amount of money some provinces have spent on foreign recruiting, they could have upgraded all the LPNs in their province who wanted it to RNs and have them at the bedside in about the same time-frame. He has to return to the Philippines and apply for a work permit. He can apply for work while he's waiting for the visa, but it might be some time before he has either.
  12. by   Silverdragon102
    Your friend really needs to return home and start the process. Before they can work in the healthcare setting they need a medical and this is all done before a TWP is authorised. Average processing times for TWP is 5 months may take longer depending on volume of applicants
  13. by   janelf
    thank's silver.
    I think what concerns him is looking for an employer. He still has 2 months here. It doesn't concern him if he comes back here in the Philippines aslong that he can find an employer there. Because he is thinking that it is more difficult to find an employer from here, he will be spending a lot for longdistance, faxes, etc.
    So, what I mean to say is that, while he is still in BC he's taking it as an opportunity to look for employers, w/c is the most important thing because that would ensure him a certification from CRNBC for interim permit.
    Though he's going back in the Philippines, it's fine because he has already an employer and would just be spending his time here preparing the papers and not looking for any employer anymore.
    Pls. do help. Thank's.

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