You don't work in anER. Get over it.

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We all complain about ER abuse, frequent flyers, drug seekers, etc.

We have this idea that the ER is for emergencies. Get over it. The problem is with the name. ER evokes images of life saving, ameliorating pain, and all that good stuff. It really should be called "free and convenient medical clinic that is more likely to give you what you want then your own doctor, and is also set up to deal with the occasional emergency". It's not a cool name, and kind of a mouthful, but it's a hell of a lot mor accurate than ER.

While we may be right to complain, we are complaining about the wrong people- it is silly to expect the users of the system to change when we constantly re-enforce their behavior. This is a population not especially renowned for responsible use of their own money. Any reason to think they would be any more responsible with your money?

We are open 24/7.

Even a long wait n the ER is a hell of a lot shorter than the time it takes to get an appointment.

We are more likely to give what you believe is necessary than follow any evidence based guidelines.

We are more likely to:

Give narcs for a headache than any neurologist.

Give antibiotics for mildy symptomatic OM than any pediatrician.

Give antibiotics for a viral uri than any family practice doc.

The list goes on, but the bottom line is we frequently give people what they want, rather than what medical research indicates.

We do all our tests on the spot, and do a lot more of them than a PCP would. Does your doc have a CT machine? By the time you get an outpatient appointment, your problem might have resolved on its own. We can get a pt in to a specialist a hell of a lot faster than their own doc can.

In addition to the superior service we provide, we advertise, soliciting the business we complain about. The focus of ER advertising is convenience. Billboards on the side of the road boasting short waiting times. Ever see an ER advertisement that explained acuity based priorities?

And don't forget- It's free. Obviously it's actually expensive, but the ER users we complain about don't pay anything. While many have government insurance that prohibits non emergent use of the ER, this is not enforced.

So- we solicit the business, and reward the behavior. Kind of numb for us to complain about it. The ER you dreamed about doesn't exist. Get over it. With very few exceptions, if you want to do any emergency nursing, you are going to have to wade through a bunch of crap to do it.

The people we complain about aren't the problem, they are the symptom. The problem is the system. I bet half the complainers on this forum don't even vote. While venting is healthy, it doesn't change anything- except how you feel after work. Change the system.

I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion. You know all of these people personally? You know their financial circumstances, their spending habits, what car accessories they have? I doubt it. I think it's more likely that you are simply parroting the welfare queen fallacy. It's typically a very racist, classist point of view, and is unsupported by anything other than biased anecdata. I'm always surprised and disheartened to hear such things from people who have purportedly dedicated their professional lives to caring for others. I hope you can see past your own biases when you're taking care of your patients, and that they aren't shortchanged because of your personal views.

I appreciate the responses from others regarding this post, however I do feel I need to add that a lot of stereotypes are in place because there is some truth behind them. You can play whatever card you want to (race, welfare, class), but until you've been on the floor seeing these things day in and day out, you just won't get it.

Specializes in Trauma, Teaching.
Unfortunately, a growing number of Urgent Care centers are billing like ERs. If I have to pay a co-pay when I arrive, will it be my $20 in-network copay, or my $250 ER co-pay?

Our registration clerks are required to go ask for copays after people have had the EMTALA medical screening. Literally have quotas they have to meet; have to go into rooms and ask for the copay or for whatever you can pay at this time. LIttle as $20, or the whole copay if they can get it (credit cards are fine!).

As I travel to and through various areas in the south and southeast U.S. lately (lately Texas and Georgia, with trips through Arkansas, Tennessee, and the Carolinas), I'm seeing more advertising for 24/7 urgent care places, which I think is a great idea. However, I'm sure a lot of people still go to the ER because we don't require them to pay before being seen, and I'm sure the urgent cares do.

I worked in Atlanta. We started noticing a large surge of EMS right around 7PM at shift change. When we asked EMS what was up, they told us they had new protocols in place to take non-emergent cases to urgent care rather than the ER. As a result, the users and abusers caught on quickly and would wait until after the urgent care centers closed so EMS would have to take them to the ER.

I'm sure as some UC expand their hours (which is great. I'd much rather go to an UC than an ER if possible, personally) more and more of the abusers will learn how to bypass them as well.

I did notice that Turd said "a lot" of ED abusers, not "all". And with that, I do agree. A lot of them do fit the stereotype, unfortunately.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I think the stereotype fits all "abusers." People with limited resources and little options tend to avoid going to the ER unless they feel they absolutely have to. They're trying their best and tend to prioritize their needs over their wants.

In other words, I wouldn't call them abusers.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I think the stereotype fits all "abusers." People with limited resources and little options tend to avoid going to the ER unless they feel they absolutely have to. They're trying their best and tend to prioritize their needs over their wants.

In other words, I wouldn't call them abusers.

Semantics.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
As I travel to and through various areas in the south and southeast U.S. lately (lately Texas and Georgia, with trips through Arkansas, Tennessee, and the Carolinas), I'm seeing more advertising for 24/7 urgent care places, which I think is a great idea. However, I'm sure a lot of people still go to the ER because we don't require them to pay before being seen, and I'm sure the urgent cares do.

Just depends on the system. We have an UC here that is branched off the ED and they will see you without payment upfront and take state ins.

Between me and 4 kids I can probably count on 2 hands how many times I have had to go in to the UC. I try to avoid the ED at all costs and usually the PCP office can't get in for same day or even next day so they tell you to go to the ED or UC. I have had a problem with the local UC once and the nurse reamed my husband out for not taking our son to the ED instead of the UC and he had to be ambulanced over. (won't even get into why the UC Doctor holds some of that responsibility)

Back when the same kids as above was a toddler I had Ins. wanting me to utilize the UC first, well after going twice with them sending us home saying he was fine and me knowing he wasn't I finally had to go to ED and my son ended up being admitted for 3 days.

So I have found UC can be touch and go but overall I have had a good experience using them first. It would be great if they were open 24/7 instead of 8pm here.

We have had a problem here lately of people that were emergent going to UC instead thinking it will be a shorter wait time.

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