will universal healthcare ( in the usa) cut RN pay?

[Trauma_Team_1]

I been hearing this debate off and on for a long time about how if Obama gets universal healthcare to go ( if he gets elected of course)though in the US that nursing pay will be cut dramatically. I would think this has to do with the fact that we would all be working for the government and that there will no longer be competition. There are many people in my nursing class that said they will leave nursing if thats the case. I also talked to several doctors that said the same thing about medicine in general. Im just curious if anyone has some good info about this. Thanks

[CRNA2007]

Yep never had it rough in my life. And never seen poverty before or the effects of it. Yep, still got my first silver spoon that I was born with. You know all us conservatives never had to do much in life. I just showed people my conservative credentials and poof now I make $200k/ year. I am so glad you know the conditions I and many other posters on here grew up with.

Perhaps those children would be better off in foster care until the parents could better care for the children instead of the whole family being homeless or perhaps those parents could cend the children to live with relatives until they were able to get on their feet again. Out of curiosity is this the same state that people want to provide them with free health care?

WOW!! After reading many of the posts in this thread, it is clear that some of you have been truely blessed whereas you don't have any insight into the level of poverty that exists in this country. As a former social worker and a former classroom teacher, I have to say, this situation is significantly more complicated that some may think. I can reassure you that it's bigger than buying alcohol and cigarettes. Also, the aid from the states isn't as easy to obtain as you may think. As a social worker, I encountered parents whose children had been removed from their homes by the state. Their only crime was poverty. They simply could not provide housing because they lost their jobs. As an agent of the state, I encountered h*ll trying to help families receive assistance from the state. It's just not a easy as you think.

[CRNA2007]

Ummm, show me where I personally attacked your mom for using safety nets? My point is that there are safety nets in this country for this very thing.

The system could use some improvement. To say that our current system is beyond reproach is absolutely ridiculous. I am not "decrying the system as broken" (is that a word?), but health care is constantly changing. Change can be a good thing.

And as for the personal attack on my mom using "safety nets" to pull us out of poverty I can only say its a pretty low blow.

My mom is currently a respiratory therapist and I am an RN. We have certainly paid back in the little that was taken out. I am surprised you would refer to medicaid and food stamps as "a ton of safety nets". That looks like 2 to me, not a ton.

[CRNA2007]

Yes you would

Were you born into poverty or homeless??

I would be pretty surprised.

[Cindy-san]

WOW!! After reading many of the posts in this thread, it is clear that some of you have been truely blessed whereas you don't have any insight into the level of poverty that exists in this country. As a former social worker and a former classroom teacher, I have to say, this situation is significantly more complicated that some may think. I can reassure you that it's bigger than buying alcohol and cigarettes. Also, the aid from the states isn't as easy to obtain as you may think. As a social worker, I encountered parents whose children had been removed from their homes by the state. Their only crime was poverty. They simply could not provide housing because they lost their jobs. As an agent of the state, I encountered h*ll trying to help families receive assistance from the state. It's just not a easy as you think.

I totally agree. My mom is a school psychologist and the stories she comes home with are unbelievable. Not everyone has the skills or the brains (sry2say) for some magical high-paying job that's going to lift them out of poverty. There's a lot of suffering and a lot of work. There are single parents (not just from out of wedlock births, but from divorce, death) who work 4 jobs to support their family, and that probably doesn't give them a whole lot of money either.

And that doesn't mean that they're retards, or should be denied the joys of parenthood. Some people had successful lives, and sh*t happened.

Perhaps those children would be better off in foster care until the parents could better care for the children instead of the whole family being homeless or perhaps those parents could cend the children to live with relatives until they were able to get on their feet again. Out of curiosity is this the same state that people want to provide them with free health care?

This is appalling.

Who says these families have stable relatives to send their kids to? Or relatives at all? If it's the point where they're taking someone's kids away, I imagine most people with stable families would utilize their familial resources to save their kids.

And foster care isn't a walk in the park either, BTW.

[icyounurse, BSN, RN]

Yes you would

I stand by that, I would indeed.

Its just that you seem very bitter towards people who utilize public services.

Personally I dont mind paying a little of my pay check for the common good.

I have plenty left over to buy food and health care for myself.

If you really did grow up in such poverty, why would you feel such strong feelings towards people born into poverty. And making a cry of "tough love" against children in this terrible situation.

[CRNA2007]

Foster care is better than living on the streets. or in a car. The OP did say the family was homeless.

Who says these families have stable relatives to send their kids to? Or relatives at all? If it's the point where they're taking someone's kids away, I imagine most people with stable families would utilize their familial resources to save their kids.

And foster care isn't a walk in the park either, BTW.

[icyounurse, BSN, RN]

A previous post from CRNA2007:

" I can only speak for myself as a recent graduate. I took a rural Iowa position right of school (CRNA only). I am salaried with benefits at 190K per year. I work with another CRNA in a small rural town we split the call a week at a time. We average 44 call backs a year so about one every 9 days or so. I get 6 weeks of vacation which includes 1 week of CME which I am allowed an additional $4000 per year to utilize for my training. My AANA dues are paid for by the hospital and doescome out of my CME money. We rotate the work schedule a week at a time, but must be available throughout the week if needed. When I am on call and the primary CRNA I work about 15-20 hours per week. The next week when I am secondary (but not on call) I am off unless we have a heavy case load or the surgeon wants to swap rooms (which sometimes happens with ortho and ENT) I usually have to work about 10 hours on my week "off" when it is ENT or cataracts or ortho doc has three or 4 cases scheduled. When surgery is done I restock my carts check the schedule and hit the door. most days out by 11 or noon. The OBs seem to run in streaks and I will come in and place an intrathecal or epidural; bolus it hang around do some charting and check on my earlier patients make sure the OB is doing okay and then I am gone. While the other staff has to stay around and "keep busy" every day till 3pm I am at home kicking back watching TV planning the fall hunting trips or a really expensive week long vacation (CME Training). As for retirement I have a 403B plan that I sock away my 15K a year. The hospital also matches 5% of my gross which is another $9500. I do pay about $150/month for my family health insurance. Not sure how it is for other new grads out there but this my current happy situation."

Yeah wow you sound like money is pretty tight. All those horrible welfare moms trying to take your money. I'd be mad too.

[LeavingTeaching4RN]

Yep never had it rough in my life. And never seen poverty before or the effects of it. Yep, still got my first silver spoon that I was born with. You know all us conservatives never had to do much in life. I just showed people my conservative credentials and poof now I make $200k/ year. I am so glad you know the conditions I and many other posters on here grew up with.

Perhaps those children would be better off in foster care until the parents could better care for the children instead of the whole family being homeless or perhaps those parents could cend the children to live with relatives until they were able to get on their feet again. Out of curiosity is this the same state that people want to provide them with free health care?

Better off in foster care?!?! Now I know you speak of ignorance. I'm not saying that you're completely ignorant. But there are very rare cases when a child is better off in foster care and the situation I described is not one of them! Perhaps, they would have been better off, if they could have been provided a helping hand to get back on their feet. The families I encountered were tax paying citizens who ran into hard times. So what's the harm in the gov't giving them a little of their tax money back until they get reestablished and began paying taxes again.

I would never suggest that you or anyone else completely take responsibility for the actions of others. I hope you never have to take the silver spoon out of your mouth or the blind fold from your eyes.

I'm a little surprised at the nasty, angry tone that some healthcare providers have. Luckily, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Therefore, I learned a great lesson, "Never look down on someone unless you are lifting them up!"

[CRNA2007]

I'm not bitter towards people who utilize public services. We have so many services in this country to help the poor and yet were are constanlty told we are not doing enough. You know why I have strong feelings? Becuase poverty sucks big time. I want to end the cycle of poverty and liberals want to make excuses to keep people on it. Relying on government handouts just continue to keep people in poverty. Why do you want these children to continue to have be raised in crime and drug infested neighborhoods? Why do you want these kids to dropout of school and start having children when they are still children themselves? Pull the children out of that situation and put them in a nurturing and environment that teaches self reliance and you will end the cycle. Tranferring wealth from one group of citizens to another does not end poverty, it only increases it.

I stand by that, I would indeed.

Its just that you seem very bitter towards people who utilize public services.

Personally I dont mind paying a little of my pay check for the common good.

I have plenty left over to buy food and health care for myself.

If you really did grow up in such poverty, why would you feel such strong feelings towards people born into poverty. And making a cry of "tough love" against children in this terrible situation.

[icyounurse, BSN, RN]

Better off in foster care?!?! Now I know you speak of ignorance. I'm not saying that you're completely ignorant. But there are very rare cases when a child is better off in foster care and the situation I described is not one of them! Perhaps, they would have been better off, if they could have been provided a helping hand to get back on their feet. The families I encountered were tax paying citizens who ran into hard times. So what's the harm in the gov't giving them a little of their tax money back until they get reestablished and began paying taxes again.

I would never suggest that you or anyone else completely take responsibility for the actions of others. I hope you never have to take the silver spoon out of your mouth or the blind fold from your eyes.

I'm a little surprised at the nasty, angry tone that some healthcare providers have. Luckily, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Therefore, I learned a great lesson, "Never look down on someone unless you are lifting them up!"

:yeahthat:

[CRNA2007]

The Op said the family was homeless. You would rather the children live on the streets instead of in foster care until the parents could get back on their feet? Sounds pretty heartless to me.

Better off in foster care?!?! Now I know you speak of ignorance. I'm not saying that you're completely ignorant. But there are very rare cases when a child is better off in foster care and the situation I described is not one of them! Perhaps, they would have been better off, if they could have been provided a helping hand to get back on their feet. The families I encountered were tax paying citizens who ran into hard times. So what's the harm in the gov't giving them a little of their tax money back until they get reestablished and began paying taxes again.

I would never suggest that you or anyone else completely take responsibility for the actions of others. I hope you never have to take the silver spoon out of your mouth or the blind fold from your eyes.

I'm a little surprised at the nasty, angry tone that some healthcare providers have. Luckily, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Therefore, I learned a great lesson, "Never look down on someone unless you are lifting them up!"

[icyounurse, BSN, RN]

I'm not bitter towards people who utilize public services. We have so many services in this country to help the poor and yet were are constanlty told we are not doing enough. You know why I have strong feelings? Becuase poverty sucks big time. I want to end the cycle of poverty and liberals want to make excuses to keep people on it. Relying on government handouts just continue to keep people in poverty. Why do you want these children to continue to have be raised in crime and drug infested neighborhoods? Why do you want these kids to dropout of school and start having children when they are still children themselves? Pull the children out of that situation and put them in a nurturing and environment that teaches self reliance and you will end the cycle. Tranferring wealth from one group of citizens to another does not end poverty, it only increases it.

So then, aside from not providing them with universal healthcare, your plan is to........???