Actually, a lot of medical students/pre-med students as well.
I've been googling the subject DNP vs. MD and find little from nurses, but a slew of pure hatred for nurses and the DNP.
What gives? I understand the idea- the fear that the DNP will start to deprive the MD from practice, rather than work with the MD.
I found the threads interesting as at no point did any of the med students, not once, show concern that the quality of care provided might be lacking with a DNP.
The med students have this idea that from year 1 of undergrad through completion of a DNP program there are only 600-700 hours required in clinic, and that a DNP takes 2 years or less presuming one already has a BSN.
They also seem to rage in regards to nurses being able to work, and thus get paid, while attending school.
They call the DNP's "Dr. Fakey McNursey", and worse.
Where's the respect? What about the patients?
Why all the hostility? Why do MD's feel they're being pushed away? Is there a history of these new DNP's not providing quality care, or working with MD's? Is it just an ego issue? And why do so many existing NP's dislike the idea of the DNP (beyond what I've read- that additional education isn't apparently needed, some claim)?
Well that's closer....I hope you communicate better verbally than in writing.
So, yes, I did state my opinion that you are completely disconnected from the day-to-day reality of other socioeconomic groups, thank you for reaffirming my point.
However, what we're waiting for is a citation to back up your "fact" that people in droves forgo quality care from a PCP and instead choose to sit for hours and wait for a random practitioner in the ED because they want to.
I dont need a citation to back up the fact that healthcare is a priviledge not a given right. I didn't go to school for my NP to provide free healthcare to individuals who feel the need to bring their child to the ER for a sore throat or an earache when there are perfectly good pediatricians in the community with actual offices. The ER is not a primary care center and when the parents start referring to the ED doc as their pediatrician, something is wrong. By the way, where's your citation that they don't:redpinkhe
I respectfully point out that the 3-7 years of residency after medical school is still training. Medical school is considered as undergraduate medical education while residency is considered graduate medical education.
So a four year professional post baccalaureate degree that leads to a doctorate is an undergraduate degree? In what universe? In reality you are correct that Medical school is not considered graduate school. Instead it is part of a group of degrees that are considered tertiary education. These degrees are professional degrees that are considered the penultimate degree in their field. Examples would be medicine (MD or DO), Law (JD) and psychology (PsyD). There is considerable variation in this. For example pharmacy, OT and PT would be considered tertiary degrees but are usually found in the graduate school of the medical school generally because the programs existed with both a Masters and a PhD until the arrival of the practice doctorate. Post practice doctorate some programs remain in the graduate school while others have moved into their own tertiary school.
The term graduate medical education was coined in the late 50's by the predecessors of Medicare. It does not refer to post baccalaureate graduate education but instead education after graduation from medical school. The correct term (which is used in the original language) is post graduate medical education which was eventually shortened to GME.
I dont need a citation to back up the fact that healthcare is a priviledge not a given right. I didn't go to school for my NP to provide free healthcare to individuals who feel the need to bring their child to the ER for a sore throat or an earache when there are perfectly good pediatricians in the community with actual offices. The ER is not a primary care center and when the parents start referring to the ED doc as their pediatrician, something is wrong. By the way, where's your citation that they don't:redpinkhe
I didn't state anything as fact....you said, and I quote, "I know for a fact that many of them do....." when speaking about a patient WANTING to wait for hours for substandard primary care (because as you said, the ED is not primary care, the practitioners aren't trained for primary care, there's no follow-up and there is insufficient health history's) instead of actually having a primary care practitioner. You stated that they choose to go to the ED when they could be going to a Primary Care Practitioner (either ignoring, or truly not realizing that far to many people in our country can't afford to go to a PCP).
I commented on your rediculous statement.
So, you didn't go to NP school to care for children in need (unless their parents can pay you adequately of course) you didn't go to NP school to practice autonomously.....what exactly did you go to NP school for?
Specializes in ICU, Trauma, Anesthesia, Education, etc..
They, physcians, will always be the standard for patient treatment. There is no way in hell I would ever let my family be treated by a NP/PA in autonomous practice whether they have a dnp or msn. I want to know that a physician has their hand in the matter.
Sounds like you're taking this personally! So if no physician was available, you would have a family member go without treatment? Ridiculous! That's a whole new level of ignorance...
THere's not going to be a time where physicians aren't available. I have insurance and live in the good ole USA!
I can tell you that once you venture outside what you think it the best country in the world, you get a wake-up call. And there are many places where a physician is not available, nor do all people have insurance. The level of suffering in this country is intolerable for a civilized nation.
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Many of them...those other bad people huh? Interesting perspective. I don't suppose you have anything behind this but your opinion?
I stand by my original assertion, you're very disconnected from other socioeconomic group's day-to-day reality