Actually, a lot of medical students/pre-med students as well.
I've been googling the subject DNP vs. MD and find little from nurses, but a slew of pure hatred for nurses and the DNP.
What gives? I understand the idea- the fear that the DNP will start to deprive the MD from practice, rather than work with the MD.
I found the threads interesting as at no point did any of the med students, not once, show concern that the quality of care provided might be lacking with a DNP.
The med students have this idea that from year 1 of undergrad through completion of a DNP program there are only 600-700 hours required in clinic, and that a DNP takes 2 years or less presuming one already has a BSN.
They also seem to rage in regards to nurses being able to work, and thus get paid, while attending school.
They call the DNP's "Dr. Fakey McNursey", and worse.
Where's the respect? What about the patients?
Why all the hostility? Why do MD's feel they're being pushed away? Is there a history of these new DNP's not providing quality care, or working with MD's? Is it just an ego issue? And why do so many existing NP's dislike the idea of the DNP (beyond what I've read- that additional education isn't apparently needed, some claim)?
Ok. What does this tell me? I'm ignorant so use little words for me:bowingpur What does this have to do with the fact that I don't feel that autonomy for a NP/dnp is the right thing?
THere's not going to be a time where physicians aren't available. I have insurance and live in the good ole USA!
What privileged universe are you living in? It's apparent that you have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on in the REAL WORLD! There are not enough primary care physicians NOW...are you totally out of touch with reality?
As far as people taking their kids to the ER, well MAYBE those parents don't have insurance and can't afford to pay an outrageous amount of money for a visit to a pediatrician's office! One of the pediatric urgent care clinics in my area charges a MINIMUM of $165 for a visit. There are pediatricians, NPs and PAs working there. However, I charge $48 for a child's visit. I'm trying to keep those kids out of the ER for minor emergencies. I'm also charging $20 for school physicals - you wouldn't believe how busy I've been lately. This is working out for ALL OF US! I've only had to refer one child to the pediatrician across the street. Guess what...SHE REFERS HER OVERFLOW TO ME!
Guess what VIRAL NP, those patients will more than likely see a NP/PA in the ER too! NPs/PAs work in the "fast track" at ERs and see the majority of patients who come there. I know that FOR A FACT because I used to work in the ER as a NP!
You are the one who takes everything personally. Considering the fact that you work at a Children's Hospital, you are obviously encountering children who are very ill. Therefore, you really don't have the educational background or training which is appropriate for those situations. However, that is NOT the case with NPs working in primary care. So, just because you're in a situation that requires oversight, don't assume that applies to all of us.
What privileged universe are you living in? It's apparent that you have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on in the REAL WORLD! There are not enough primary care physicians NOW...are you totally out of touch with reality?
As far as people taking their kids to the ER, well MAYBE those parents don't have insurance and can't afford to pay an outrageous amount of money for a visit to a pediatrician's office! One of the pediatric urgent care clinics in my area charges a MINIMUM of $165 for a visit. There are pediatricians, NPs and PAs working there. However, I charge $48 for a child's visit. I'm trying to keep those kids out of the ER for minor emergencies. I'm also charging $20 for school physicals - you wouldn't believe how busy I've been lately. This is working out for ALL OF US! I've only had to refer one child to the pediatrician across the street. Guess what...SHE REFERS HER OVERFLOW TO ME!
That's great for you but I feel sorry for all of the kids you misdiagnose, mistreat, and put at risk without physician oversight. Once again, there is no reason for a dnp/NP to function in total autonomy. This puts patients at risk because they are receiving suboptimal treatment from individuals who dont have the education or training to function completely autonomous.
You are the one who takes everything personally. Considering the fact that you work at a Children's Hospital, you are obviously encountering children who are very ill. Therefore, you really don't have the educational background or training which is appropriate for those situations. However, that is NOT the case with NPs working in primary care. So, just because you're in a situation that requires oversight, don't assume that applies to all of us.
I trained as a Peds Crit Care NP at UPenn. I do have the background and training but not to the level of a physician:D
I trained as a Peds Crit Care NP at UPenn. I do have the background and training but not to the level of a physician:D
Personal attacks are not appreciated and from what I understand are not tolerated. There is no reason for you to question Ann's competency here. Let's just get down to business here and answer the question. Doctors are hostile towards the DNP and towards NPs in general becuase they have the a huge chip on their shoulder. They have enjoyed an unwarranted monopoly for WAY too long and they are about to lose it. I guess if I were them I would be upset about it too, but that is still no reason to deprive the public of access to care from autonomous NPs.
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Once again, a whole new level of ignorance. This is from "The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems"
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America