Why I am not Surprised by Joy Behar's Ignorant Comments

Joy Behar of The View may have well-informed opinions on many topics, but her views on nursing are downright ignorant. It isn’t surprising that she doesn’t know what she’s talking about where nurses are concerned because most of the public doesn’t know, either. Nurses Announcements Archive Article

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In case you missed it, a "comedian" on the talk television show The View has some very misguided notions about what it takes to be a nurse. Joy Behar, long-time member of the all women panel on the social commentary show, made her ignorance about nurses very clear with some of the comments she made regarding the profession.

It all started with the very brave actions of Miss Colorado in the Miss America Pageant. The contestant appeared on the show during the talent section dressed in work scrubs with a stethoscope around her neck. She explained how her talent was for nursing, helping people, and caring for others when they are at their worst.

Being fashionably feminist, Behar and the other women on the panel are against pageants, but that is an opinion for another site. She began mocking Miss Colorado saying that she was wearing a "doctor's stethoscope" and was dressed in a "nurse's costume." Her comments showed no respect for the profession and what we do on a day to day basis. The next day, after much public backlash, Behar "apologized" by saying that she was only making fun of the pageant and the comments against nurses were only jokes.

Nurses have been outraged all across the internet, and rightly so. In fact, a Facebook group called "Show Me Your Stethoscope" has over 600,000 members and hundreds of stethoscope selfies in just the few days since the comments.

Although Behar's comments are surprising, what is not is her ignorance. As a nurse, I am not surprised that someone in the spotlight knows very little of what nurses actually do. In fact, I was not aware of it until I put on those scrubs and slung a stethoscope around my neck. No one knows what it is like to be in those shoes, enduring the soaring rush of saving a life and the devastating blow of losing a patient.

Traditionally, nurses are seen as doctor's secretaries, and this fueled Behar's comments. Of course a nurse wouldn't need a stethoscope: she -- always a she -- would only need a clipboard to take notes for the doctor. It doesn't occur to the media or the public that nurses are just as involved in hard core medicine as doctors are. As I've always said, give me a nurse with 20 years experience over an intern any day.

I believe that this ignorance arises from how nurses are portrayed in the media. When the public thinks of nurses, they think of Florence Nightingale. Nursing has changed considerably since then! What other nurses can stand up as role models, though, that could inform the public of the very serious work done by nurses?

Take entertainment. Nurse Jackie, though well known among nurses, has a cult following. She isn't exactly a role model, either. Another nurse show that aired on TNT didn't earn enough ratings, even though it still didn't show nurses in their true light. Grey's Anatomy and House focused so much on the lives of the doctors that they never showed what nurses do.

And that's the problem. No one knows what nurses do because no one has shown them. What Behar said was deplorable, ignorant, misinformed, and uneducated, but not surprising. A media talking head would have no idea what goes on in the trenches of a nursing shift. How could they? No one has told them and no one has shown them.

More education is needed for the general public about what nurses do. We don't just pass pills. We don't just take orders from the doctor. We don't just wipe behinds. We listen to lung sounds. We assess if someone is dying. We make the call whether to call the doctor or not. We are at the bedside for eight to 12 hours, and we see more of the patient than the doctor ever will. We are the thin white line that exists to protect and serve the patients who need us.

Nursing skills matter.

Fire away at Behar and get the media's attention. Eradicate this ignorance, but don't be surprised. Don't think they should know better. Nurses are misrepresented in nearly every sphere. It just took one supposedly funny person's ignorant comments to cast light on that fact.

The unfortunately reality is that, there are probably more people who think like Joy Behar, than don't.

The public may think that, "nurses are just angels", but ask them if we deserve higher pay, better benefits, staffing ratios, etc. Hospitals would counter that with, "WELL, if the nurses want higher pay, then we are going to have to increase what we charge patients, etc. We all know that you don't get something for nothing".

No mention is made of the luxurious lobbies, artwork, more and more, "Chiefs", and fewer "Indians".

Higher costs are always blamed on nurses, whose professional services are rolled into the room rate, housekeeping, and the complimentary roll of toilet paper. That IS NOT AN ACCIDENT! I have no doubt, that if hospital were to finally be made to include nurse services on the bills, they would fight it tooth and nail.

As long as we appear to not be income generators for the hospital, then they can continue to say over and over, that nurses do not generate any money for the hospital, only cost the hospital money for salary and benefits, and that is why when money is tight, nurses are the first thing on the chopping block.

Again, it will continue until nurses demand that we bill for our services and that our services be included on the hospital bill.

In a recent thread, I outlined how nurses could bill for our services. Like all other departments do.

It would really frost my butt, when I would do a blood gas on a patient in the ICU, and that service came included as part of the room rate.

If a Respiratory Therapist did the exact same Blood Gas, they would walk over to the secretaries desk, and get a charge slip, stamp it with the patient's name, and submit the charge slip for the patient for the blood gas. Whether it was a stick, or a draw from the arterial line.

Why is that? Because we are to remain invisible, and powerless. Now that RTs seem to be on the chopping block in hospitals, I wonder what will become of them? Now you know why RT Department Heads have been pushing for RTs to take over more procedures, like dressing changes, PICC line placements, etc. Why is that? None of these procedures are covered in RT programs. But they are sure covered in nursing school.

There are alot more Joy Behars out there than we think, or want to believe there are.

JMHO and my NY $0.02

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN,(ret)

Somewhere in the PACNW

Specializes in Wound care; CMSRN.

This whole thing has gotten more notoriety than anybody in the "infotainment" industry deserves, ever.

What might actually be useful as a take away from this incident along with the responses thousands of nurses have made here and on "social media" of various descriptions, is a huge snapshot of what nurses, collectively, think of what they do as a profession. It's pretty interesting.

Medicine doesn't happen in this country (or any country) without nurses. Period. Full stop. And, I suppose, if the ANA had spent as much time "marketing the brand" as the AMA has done over the years, the public perception would be drastically different. Of course doctors have traditionally been men and nurses, women. Draw your own conclusions about why we are where we are today, and how a "feminist" (as somebody alleged Behar is) could have such a publicly derogatory view of a profession that basically owes it's existence to women.

History will forget Behar and her ilk. They can not forget Clara Barton and Florence Nightingale.

Specializes in Registered Nurse.
morganvibes said:
Please tell me what you are refering to here, and how I can see it? I am not twitter savvy. I just found out about this contoversy and am saddened by the vitriol being thrown at Joy Behar , who is a good person, for the crime of not understanding what RN's do. Yea, maybe she should know more about what Nurses do ( I guess we mean Registered nurses?) but its hard to say. Most people have no idea that there are several different levels of nurses, and several levels of non-nurses that are referred to as "nurses"- even in the medical field! So why should Joy Behar know that?

Maybe it might be easier to understand the outrage if every clinic and hospital didnt insist on everyone in the building dressing alike, wearing scrubs, including the janitors and receptionists, and always referring to Medical Assistants and CNA's as "nurses". I have seen this

time and again.

This has lead to a world where no one knows what anyone does in a medical setting, certainly not exactly what duties are done by which kind of "nurse", or who is really a nurse. Doctors (providers/prescribers) wear white coats, and that is all everyone knows for sure.

I am an NP and once had a job where the clinic owners wanted everyone to wear matching scrubs, and I was able to convince them to at least allow me as the provider, to wear my dress clothes with my white coat, as it was important to illustrate and delianate between roles in the clinic. They agreed that it looked much more professional, and conveyed much more authority and confidence to the patients. Many referred to me as their "Doctor", even when they were fully aware that I was an NP.

I dont knoow what the answer is, but RN's as a group need to insist on being treated with respect and not allow receptionists, MA's, CNA's, janitors, secretary's, admin people, etc, to wear the same clothes and to be called Nurses. Obviously, the RN's are not the ones makinghtese bad choices, but maybe we should all fight against this perception of what a nurse does, and ask for things that will better convey the reality of what real RN's do, then using up sp much indignation hating on a nice person who made a mistake that I think would be quite common.

No idea what you do for a living. (Okay...I reread..you are a NP?) Can't even read your whole post...However, Joy asked a stupid question immediately when she saw the "Miss America Nurse". She asked, "What is she doing with that Doctor's stethoscope around her neck?" Most people (even children) know nurses use stethoscopes. The woman is 70-something! Come on! She was making a weak attempt at slamming nurses and it back-fired.

Being ignorant will never lead to bliss. The time will come when Joy Behar will be a patient in somebody's hospital because that is the normal circle of life. It will be a Nurse with a stethoscope are her neck listening to her heart, lungs, and even her bowel sounds. It is be a Nurse calling the doctor to inform them of her prognosis and then maybe he or she will come into the room for five minutes ( OOPS ! I forget she is a "celebrity" so she will get an extra ten minutes) but it will be the Nurse who will be with her until she has completed her twelve hour shift.

Hey Behar, put your money where your mouth is. I am a pre-nursing student and I could use a scholarship to Nursing School so that when the time comes I can have a stethoscope around my neck with the intentions of emptying bed pans, easing someone's pan, or feeding them food. In a word I will be a Nurse.

Thanks to Johnson and Johnson and Egglands Best... you hit them where it hurts..in the pockets! A group of chattering women making more money than we nurses will ever see in a lifetime and they have the gall to criticize US????????

Specializes in Psychiatric, Aesthetics.

Michelle and Joy sounded like they we're reading their "misconstrued", benighted comments from emails... I'm so sick of them. I hope J&J and Egglands Best aren't bought back.

As a student nurse and nurse since 1974, I can honestly say that I have very rarely seen any media depiction of nursing that comes close to what nurses do. I will however give credit to the TV show Emergency, that aired from 1972 to 1979, wherein Julie London's character, Dixie McCall RN, portrayed intelligent thoughts and some nursing actions; earning her respect from the doctors and paramedics she worked with. Too bad that theme of respect earned has never been expanded to include more of what the expanding role of professional nursing includes.

Specializes in OR 35 years; crosstrained ER/ICU/PACU.

Yes, we did that, & we gave up our seats for them back then, too! While I did carry a clipboard when I rounded with the docs, it was for MY notes to pass on to them. I've been in OR nurse for 33 years now; the 6 years prior on a Surgical floor saw many changes in MD-RN relationships. We now are on more equal footing, & they rely on our judgement, knowledge, skills, & communication more than ever. Most of my surgeons (I specialize in Neurosurgery & Ortho surgery) have my cell number, & don't hesitate to call or text if they need something or question about equipment. Having also been a Paramedic for 12 years (retired 2003), still ACLS certified, they know I can run a code for them. I wish Joy Behar could spend a whole day with a nurse in EVERY specialty: she'd not only get a huge awakening about our profession, but she'd know how it is to be hungry, thirsty, need to pee really badly, & be exhausted!

Ms Behar is not the only ignorant one. When I as a member of my professional organization, went for my organization to Congress to lobby for certain advance practice nurse (CRNFA's-Certified Registered First Assistants) who work alongside the physicians in surgery. These nurses were not receiving reimbursement for their services. When I spoke to Mr. Thompson (then head of CMS-Center of Medicare Services ). He kept on talking at me, not to me. He said that they were not going to give approval for another assistant in surgey.I kept on reiterating it wasn't another assistant, the CRNFA would be in lieu of a physician working to assist the surgeon. In addition this would be a big cost saving to CMS. Another MD who assists the surgeon, charges at the rate of 17% per OR case. While the CRNFA only charges 13.7%. Not only that but CRNFAs are OR nurses who have attained additional training and didacticic education as well as hands on training. They are more experienced as some of the MD surgical assistants, as they have worked as scrub nurse all those years. Many times a surgeon will get a GP to assist with little or not surgical experience. This is not in the best interests of patients.

I also along with other nurses went to speak to Congressmen about this. When we explained about the better experience, and the cost savings to members of Congress, we were asked, "Well if they don't get paid for this, why do they do it?"

But this isn't just about advanced practice nurses, this is about all nurses. We have to educate the public about our profession. Years ago as an OR nurse who was on call, my beeper went off. It was the hospital and we had an emergency case. I didn't have my cell phone with me and I was out in a restaurant. There was only one pay phone, & when I asked the person to get off the phone and why (I'm an operating room nurse and I just got paged to come in, there's an emergency). The man just looked at me and said nurses work in surgery?I informed him that the surgeon didn't do the surgery all by himself, didn't get he supplies, didn't open them up and maintain a sterile field, got the patient along with anesthesia, placed the patient on the OR table with the appropriate monitors, prepped the patient, made sure that all the instrumentation and smaller items (lap sponges, raytec sponges, needles, etc.)were counted before the surgery started, during the surgery, and as the procedure was ending, etc. The gentleman just looked at me and said it doesn't look like that on TV. At this time I was getting a little impatient, and told him, this is real life not television. He gave me the phone, I made my call, and I went in to the hospital to work.

I just read online today that Johnson & Johnson as well as Eggland's Best were pulling all their ads and their sponsorship to "The View," in response to Ms. Behar's comments.This was after her apology onlive TV. Kudos to them.

SallyRNCNOR said:
Ms Behar is not the only ignorant one. When I as a member of my professional organization, went for my organization to Congress to lobby for certain advance practice nurse (CRNFA's-Certified Registered First Assistants) who work alongside the physicians in surgery. These nurses were not receiving reimbursement for their services. When I spoke to Mr. Thompson (then head of CMS-Center of Medicare Services ). He kept on talking at me, not to me. He said that they were not going to give approval for another assistant in surgey.I kept on reiterating it wasn't another assistant, the CRNFA would be in lieu of a physician working to assist the surgeon. In addition this would be a big cost saving to CMS. Another MD who assists the surgeon, charges at the rate of 17% per OR case. While the CRNFA only charges 13.7%. Not only that but CRNFAs are OR nurses who have attained additional training and didacticic education as well as hands on training. They are more experienced as some of the MD surgical assistants, as they have worked as scrub nurse all those years. Many times a surgeon will get a GP to assist with little or not surgical experience. This is not in the best interests of patients.

I also along with other nurses went to speak to Congressmen about this. When we explained about the better experience, and the cost savings to members of Congress, we were asked, "Well if they don't get paid for this, why do they do it?"

But this isn't just about advanced practice nurses, this is about all nurses. We have to educate the public about our profession. Years ago as an OR nurse who was on call, my beeper went off. It was the hospital and we had an emergency case. I didn't have my cell phone with me and I was out in a restaurant. There was only one pay phone, & when I asked the person to get off the phone and why (I'm an operating room nurse and I just got paged to come in, there's an emergency). The man just looked at me and said nurses work in surgery?I informed him that the surgeon didn't do the surgery all by himself, didn't get he supplies, didn't open them up and maintain a sterile field, got the patient along with anesthesia, placed the patient on the OR table with the appropriate monitors, prepped the patient, made sure that all the instrumentation and smaller items (lap sponges, raytec sponges, needles, etc.)were counted before the surgery started, during the surgery, and as the procedure was ending, etc. The gentleman just looked at me and said it doesn't look like that on TV. At this time I was getting a little impatient, and told him, this is real life not television. He gave me the phone, I made my call, and I went in to the hospital to work.

I just read online today that Johnson & Johnson as well as Eggland's Best were pulling all their ads and their sponsorship to "The View," in response to Ms. Behar's comments.This was after her apology onlive TV. Kudos to them.

I work circulating in an OR. One of my friends is the RNFA. I tell everyone who knows us how badass she is because they really don't realize all that is involved, and they think she and I are on par with our education, responsibilities, and skills. NOT the case, and I'm the first to admit it. No disrespect to the circulators, but lay people often have no idea how much a RNFA does. Like you described, they think only MDs can perform those duties.

Paramedics have heard nurses call us ambulance drivers for years. They commonly don't understand why we don't have a complete history when we arrive with a morbidly obese pt in cardiac arrest that we dragged out of the back bedroom of a hoarder's house with no electricity and family members threatening us. Somehow we still have them intubated with IV access and ROSC, but we are belittled at the ER because we were unable to acquire the meds or missed something because we only had 25 minutes with the pt and were unable to conduct a detailed assessment in a well-lit, controlled environment. Don't get me wrong, some RN's know where we're coming from, but this issue just seems a little overly sensitive after having seen many RN's behave in much the same way.

sincerely,

FFP and near future RN

I too am an OR Circulator and have seen FAs instruct surgeons on proper surgical procedures.

What disappoints me in this article is Lynda Lampert's omission of the nurse being a patient advocate first and foremost. Having worked in all areas of the hospital, there are times that the patient's needs fall through the cracks for one reason or another. Also the nurse is the first person to see a change in the patient's physical/mental status and act accordingly. Working as a CNA, while going to nursing school, I was taking morning vital signs. A patient was acting confused and not very responsive when I interacted with him. I asked the nurse if this was his baseline and she responded no and immediately called the Dr. for a stat MRI and blood work. This is just one example of the nurse being there for the patient. When my preop patients ask if I am the Dr. or call me Dr., I proudly proclaim I am a NURSE!