Why the high drop out rate of nursing students?

RN BSN 2009 · Jan 1, 2009

besides, you will cry in nursing, at least once in awhile......might as well get used to it!!:redbeathe

yes, that's so true. many nurses have had at least one time where they either drove home crying or cried before work. that's the real world.

Lstcats · Jan 1, 2009

Here is my question for educators.
I'm wondering how to decrease the drop out rate in nursing schools but I first need to know what the students reasons are for dropping out.
My thought is that some students apply because they want to be a nurse but like most of the general public don't know exactly what a nurse does besides follow MD orders, administer medications and make patients comfortable.
This is the depiction that the public has as a nurse which is "old school" philosophy. And, sorry to say that nursing students don't seem to understand it all either. I recently had a student who was not cut out for nursing. It was obvious in clinical that she didn't have what it takes. Her mother is a nurse and I surmise she did it because of her mother. However, she didn't realize that nursing school was so demanding & difficult (don't get that one since her mother is a nurse). :uhoh21:
They are surprised when they find out how much more is involved including the extra heavy load of coursework/study time and figured it was more then they bargained for and leave. Am I way off base here or is there a percentage of student's that fit this category?What is the drop out rate at your school?What are the more common reasons for student leaving school?
The student that I just mentioned did leave the program stating that she dediced she didn't want to be a nurse. I was so thankful:nuke: as was the director of nursing because I was most likely going to have to fail her in clinical. From what I heard from the professors at the school I taught at last semester was that there were a lot of students failing and some had dropped out because it was too tough for them. Two dropped out because of family issues and would reapply later. I would say they lost about 20-25% of the students they started with in September.

Lstcats · Jan 1, 2009

:twocents:I agree with your first point, especially. A student that fails is the Instructor's failure, as much or more than the Student's.

:flmngmd: I can't believe that you just said this. Did I take it out of context? Are you stating that it is the Instructors fault or failure? If so, that is ridiculous or all the students would fail. I have had students in my clinical who transfer unsafely, can't make a bed, don't do their assessments, can't do a bed bath, violate infection control and safety practices (go outside w/ gowns and gloves on and leave an accucheck machine in the hallway with needles), violate sterile technique over and over again when doing a dressing change, don't tell the instructor when something is wrong with the patient, are not prepared to give meds and have no idea what they are (Colace is a anticoagulant), are lazy, can't read or write very well, and on and on. If it was the instructors fault then all of the students would be failing. :banghead:I have even had the program coordinator come out many times and work with these students in addition to me and they are no better. One particular student that i failed ended up passing even though he took vital signs while the patient was going to the bathroom stated to help with time management skills. :nono:Give me a break.

talbrecht · Jan 2, 2009

Here is my question for educators.
I'm wondering how to decrease the drop out rate in nursing schools but I first need to know what the students reasons are for dropping out.
My thought is that some students apply because they want to be a nurse but like most of the general public don't know exactly what a nurse does besides follow MD orders, administer medications and make patients comfortable.
This is the depiction that the public has as a nurse which is "old school" philosophy. And, sorry to say that nursing students don't seem to understand it all either. I recently had a student who was not cut out for nursing. It was obvious in clinical that she didn't have what it takes. Her mother is a nurse and I surmise she did it because of her mother. However, she didn't realize that nursing school was so demanding & difficult (don't get that one since her mother is a nurse). :uhoh21:
They are surprised when they find out how much more is involved including the extra heavy load of coursework/study time and figured it was more then they bargained for and leave. Am I way off base here or is there a percentage of student's that fit this category?What is the drop out rate at your school?What are the more common reasons for student leaving school?
The student that I just mentioned did leave the program stating that she dediced she didn't want to be a nurse. I was so thankful:nuke: as was the director of nursing because I was most likely going to have to fail her in clinical. From what I heard from the professors at the school I taught at last semester was that there were a lot of students failing and some had dropped out because it was too tough for them. Two dropped out because of family issues and would reapply later. I would say they lost about 20-25% of the students they started with in September.
Your partly right,many enter into this field not really knowing what a nurse really does and the pros and cons connected. Many students are fresh out of high school really not totally evolved yet. So how do they even know what they want to be. So that is what you may be seeing. There are only a few like me entering as a older adult with hands on experiance. I have seen it from the coast to coast, I have many years experiance in the field and coming back to just get papered with a degree. I have given shots, taken blood and taken care of patients. There are some good and bad nurses out there. We need more good nurses who are fostered with compassion. Many schools have ruined peoples hearts and they still end up with the degree only to learn the mean ways of the school and have hardened hearts! Here is another prospective...................
A student is a fresh person for a teacher to mold, guide and shape---not judge. When they leave the major, you have failed as a teacher to do your job. It wasnt that they were not fit or that they are not smart enough or it is the wrong profession for them. You as a teacher failed to teach them or even keep them in interest. It is so much easier to not be a nurse. Why would you want to scare them away to not do everything in your might to encourage and train. They are the soldiers of humanity. They want to care for the sick, the elderly the needy and they also want to help humanity stay healthy. Why would a school limit that? Why would someone who wanted to teach someone think it was ok to give up? The teacher fails. How does that get justified? Humanity will suffer from this ergnorant behavior. How dare they.most of all shame on them.
Education is a journey.. A nurse is a nurturer and schools need to teacher that aspect too.
Clinicals and experiance show students what they will be doing and they need to be able to learn to do it. Nursing students need to be encouraged to show compasion and resistants to pressure from over stress. The nightengale heart is missing, there is no compassion only regulation and dissmissal for non-conformity. It is not the schools job to judge who will be a good nurse. It is their duty to teach! Many schools are failing. Many young students go a stray and are not taught. They are smart and see nursing is not for them because why would anyone want to be in a program that is not encouraged. It needs to be attractive and desired other wise the school looses another perspective candiate to teach. They are a factory not putting out enough production! They constantly loose students to other professions. Why would a teacher or a school be proud of that? Is it a club or a click for only certain people or types. Are teachers playing god? In my prospective in vein they are! Shame on the systems that allow this.
I have worked side by side with RN's in the ER for many years, I have worked for many hospitals and physicans. I too as a medical professional. I felt the stress, saw the emotional up and down and felt all kinds of pressure. I have been first on hand to help someone dying and lost and saved patients. I have worked the long hours, been part of the team that morned together as we lost as patient and relished in the glory of seeing someone over come something really life threatening. I am lucky and know that I want to be a RN so I fight for my right to an education and my journey has been tought. I know what students feel and experiance. Any other person that has seen in the schools what I have would of ran fast to another profession. I am embarrassed for them. I am solid and am almost finished, but as I finish I see the crooked schools and want to do something to help others. It is NOT right. Students beware.
We want to be an RN's and the system as it is set up fails students. It causes road blocks and short falls student nurses. The requirements are one sides, perform meet the red tape requirement be book smart and then they throw them out for hospital employees to train the correct way. The nurses in the hospital say, 'FORGET EVERYTHING THEY TAUGHT YOU IN NURSING SCHOOL AND DO IT THIS WAY."So why am I paying my school? Is it just for a piece of paper saying I was in the white tower of education? It says that I endured the system and yes I want to be a nurse. In my clincals do you know that none of the students have been allowed to draw blood, start an IV, do a cath, or give medications and frankly I am in a BSN program! The teachers says that you learn that later, dont expect experiance yet. They teach the small facts in piece meal form, show you films on this stuff and let you do it on rubber molds. It is all about tripin up and weeding out those who can not pass the test that have no basis. Most of the grades are subjective. Does the teacher like you. DO they think you have what it takes. Within the course never is nurturing fostered or expressed. If anything going through the system hardens you, makes you cold and is cut throat. You have to be surviver to make it, be creative and patient.
Scary... with all this in the way why would anyone want to be a nurse. Another fact with the shortage who will take care of us. Why would the system make it so unpleasant and difficult to be a nurse. Why would teachers want to encourage people to drop out or deem them not fit to care for human needs? It is wrong.
I hope teachers read this : If a student decides they want to be a nurse schools should encourage them, teach them and guide them. If they have short comings in certain areas teachers should tutor them TEACH THEM SO THEY UNDERSTAND. Everyone is entitled and capable of learning. For the sake of human kindness and the capability of our citzens teachers need to ensure that anyone wanting to be a nurse learn how. Society needs them. It is not rocket scientist material, everyone can be taught. What is going to happen when student nurses change majors, who will take care of the sick and needy. Compassion needs to be taught to RN Professors so that they can teach their students properly. It is not about who the teacher thinks will be a good nurse. It is about educating people who want to be nurses and then making them good ones! The system is broke.
I think as I get my degree I am going to go to the State Legistators and work on regulations regarding this.
Perhaps I may be so distracted being angry at the broken system that I too change career paths and protect more students instead of helping patients in the hospital. I may touch more lives that way! Someone needs to do something and students need to be warry of poor schools. From these blogs it seems like the problem is everywhere.
If you are a teacher, I hope you will change the system in your school. :heartbeat

talbrecht · Jan 2, 2009

:twocents:I agree with your first point, especially. A student that fails is the Instructor's failure, as much or more than the Student's.
:flmngmd: I can't believe that you just said this. Did I take it out of context? Are you stating that it is the Instructors fault or failure? If so, that is ridiculous or all the students would fail. I have had students in my clinical who transfer unsafely, can't make a bed, don't do their assessments, can't do a bed bath, violate infection control and safety practices (go outside w/ gowns and gloves on and leave an accucheck machine in the hallway with needles), violate sterile technique over and over again when doing a dressing change, don't tell the instructor when something is wrong with the patient, are not prepared to give meds and have no idea what they are (Colace is a anticoagulant), are lazy, can't read or write very well, and on and on. If it was the instructors fault then all of the students would be failing. :banghead:I have even had the program coordinator come out many times and work with these students in addition to me and they are no better. One particular student that i failed ended up passing even though he took vital signs while the patient was going to the bathroom stated to help with time management skills. :nono:Give me a break.

:nuke: So when the student does it wrong by leaving the room gowned or not giving the bed bath correctly or not knowing what a drug is what do you do? Do you teach them the correct way? You need to teach them that is your job. A student was allowed to take vitals while a patient was in the bathroom. So did you tell them that was not appropriate and teach him? The requirements to get into a program and the things that are suppose to screen out students that can not read or write, hello. All the other things you spoke of can be taught. You sound fustrated and judgements calling students lazy. Nursing students are anything but lazy. I agree some may need more guidance but as a student paying to be taught it is their right to make mistakes and learn. It is your duty to make sure as they learn no one is hurt and that is where your screeing can come in to play. Dont allow students to practice things on people until they are ready and then guide them as they do until they are good at the task. There is also nothing wrong with making them repeat the class if they need to learn more from you! That is the key allowing them to re-take the class if you think they have not mastered the skills should be encouraged. Most schools kick them out. I read what you said and still think that teachers are responsible for the learning process as much as the student. The teach fails when they dont teach the student. That is their obligation. :redbeathe

Lstcats · Jan 2, 2009

:nuke: so when the student does it wrong by leaving the room gowned or not giving the bed bath correctly or not knowing what a drug is what do you do? do you teach them the correct way?
thanks for writing. first, all students practice in the lab and must be passed off before they perform clinical procedures even bed baths and bedmaking. they are supposed to have an idea of what to do and many still don't so, something is lacking in the skills lab. why would you ask this question? of course, i show them the right way and explain what the problem is. some do get clinical warnings and some fail but, the nursing school will just go ahead and pass them anyway and they usually fail out the next semester or the next instructor has a horror show to deal with. suppose a student had a pt. who was tachycardic and febrile. the vs were taken @ 8:30 am and she did not tell their instructor for 3 hours. when the instructor talked to the student in the hall @ 11:15 about hanging a g-tube feeding on the patient, the student still did not tell the instructor. the instructor entered the room and immediately knew the patient was in trouble. however, the staff rn was in the room and was taking a ua c&s and giving tylenol. the instructor assessed the patient and asked the student questions. what do you think happened to this student? yes, she was given a clinical warning for failure to notify the instructor of a patient problem. she cried "discrimination" and failed to comprehend the problem at hand and why she needed to tell the instructor. she kept this up even though the instructor showed her the typed forms stating this was protocol. this is just one of many instances that have occurred with students not taking nursing seriously and not doing what they are supposed to. i have a lot more stories but i would be here all day to tell about them.
you need to teach them that is your job. a student was allowed to take vitals while a patient was in the bathroom. so did you tell them that was not appropriate and teach him?
you seem to have a rough tone to your emails but that is okay...:wink2: let me explain, i had a student failing that i spent so much time with that i was really negleting the other students. i had the coordinator come out twice and work with him since he wasn't getting it at all. i failed him but in a mtg. the dean of the school gave him another chance and extra two days of clinical with another instructor. he still did poorly and took the vs on the pt. in the bathroom (not with me...) and she went ahead and passed him. he went on to the next semester and the new clinical instructor failed him and then they all agreed and he failed 2nd semester. what a waste for the student and more humiliating for him. i had done everything i could for him but he wasn't cut out for it.
the requirements to get into a program and the things that are suppose to screen out students that can not read or write, hello. all the other things you spoke of can be taught. you sound fustrated and judgements calling students lazy.
yes, frustrated is a good choice of words but "hello" isn't. please try to be a little more respectful in this forum. anyway, i don't screen out students. the colleges do. and, yes if you look at another forum called "nursing student days" you will see what is meant by lazy. try checking out something that a nursing student wrote. maybe you will think it was funny like a few did.
nursing students are anything but lazy. i agree some may need more guidance but as a student paying to be taught it is their right to make mistakes and learn. it is your duty to make sure as they learn no one is hurt and that is where your screeing can come in to play. dont allow students to practice things on people until they are ready and then guide them as they do until they are good at the task. there is also nothing wrong with making them repeat the class if they need to learn more from you!
you sound like you had a bad experience with some or one instructor or you wouldn't be attacking me like this. what happened? also, most schools don't let them repeat clinical until the following year if they fail. they have to reapply and some schools won't even take you back if you failed.
that is the key allowing them to re-take the class if you think they have not mastered the skills should be encouraged. most schools kick them out. i read what you said and still think that teachers are responsible for the learning process as much as the student. the teach fails when they dont teach the student. that is their obligation. :redbeathe

yes, so agree that an instructor is responsible for the learning process and fails if they don't "teach" a student but that is not the case with me. i spend after hours with students who aren't making it. i spend more time with them than any of the other students. so, your assessment of me is incorrect and you are judging without having the entire story. maybe by reading what i have just wrote you will understand my experiences. :nuke:

VickyRN, MSN, DNP, RN · Jan 3, 2009

:nuke: I read what you said and still think that teachers are responsible for the learning process as much as the student. The teach fails when they dont teach the student. That is their obligation. :redbeathe

You as an adult learner are ultimately responsible for the grades you earn in nursing school or whether you pass or fail. The instructor cannot "guarantee" your success and cannot be blamed when you fail. The teacher or educator is a facilitator for learning - the main responsibility for learning always rests with the student. If a student is having difficulty in a course or clinical skill, then it is the student's responsibility to contact the instructor for further help. I believe this sense of entitlement ("it's the teacher's fault") comes from the "everyone receives a trophy" or "self-esteem" over-emphasis in elementary education. Also, an entitled public thinks that "paying" for a course should ultimately guarantee success.

Unfortunately, not everyone is cut out for nursing. We instructors try very hard to make sure students succeed, but some are simply unsafe. We care for the students but we also care for the public and we have a responsibility to turn out "safe" practitioners. As an example, I personally know of one student who was having issues and was in danger of failing. The instructors in the community college ADN program worked very diligently with him to help him succeed. This particular student was very presumptious and had a "know-it-all" attitude. After much work, he did graduate and passed the NCLEX. Tragically, during his first year of nursing, two patients died as a direct result of his negligence. In hindsight, it would have been much more compassionate for the patients to allow this student to fail.

talbrecht · Jan 3, 2009

:nuke:

yes, so agree that an instructor is responsible for the learning process and fails if they don't "teach" a student but that is not the case with me. i spend after hours with students who aren't making it. i spend more time with them than any of the other students. so, your assessment of me is incorrect and you are judging without having the entire story. maybe by reading what i have just wrote you will understand my experiences. :nuke:

:redbeathei was not targeting you, so sorry if you took it that way. i am speaking specifically of the teachers that dont care and the school that dont do their best to teach. i have seen many that dont work like you do.

i however think that a student should not be left alone to care for a patient until they are a licensed rn. it think it is a huge liability to not pair them up with licensed rn to train them constantly.

what i am have experianced is schools who barely even do clinicals, three out of four of my classes last semester that are part of strictly clinicals are not caring for patients. in nursing assessment there were no clinical experiances, we did our clinicals on each other hardly even supervised. in nursing pharm we watched one med pass for 1 hour and toured a pharmacy. in mental health we visited aaa meetings and then did a week of monitoring a rn and we required to do nothing! my fundmentals class had 4 weeks of clinical care in a nursing home strictly monitored by a shadow. we never got to draw blood, give meds, start iv's etc!

my specific issues and why i sound so hard about schools is:

i have seen many friends get the boot for being 2% away from passing two classes and be kicked out of the program. we are talking they got 77% and 79% was a c that you needed to pass! no second tries, no waiting for a readmit. also the teachers are not teaching, they lecture by reading a powerpoint, refuse questions, cant show you examples and complain of time constraints for helping you. they give tests that have two answers that trick you like: your treating a teen boy doing a pe what is the appropriate ? to ask him. a. do you use condoms? b. do you have any questions about sex? c. ask him does he have any questions d. only exam him and wait for questions. i answered a and got it wrong it was b. i would answer that question the same in a clinical setting.

alot of the ? are clinical trip ups. in my class you need 79% for a c, the class average was 75%! no one passed.

there were a ton of questions made up that were really ironic. there is rumor that pharm is set up as a weed out class 15% passes. mental health 12 of us out of 60 passed.

the program is never full and becomes smaller as they go progressively higher in classes. out of 49 in a program 15 or less pass. there are rumors that if you come from this school they frown on hiring you and they make fun of the students saying they come from the white tower of zero experiance. the rn's in clinicals helping us whisper under their breath, dont do it like they show you!

i started my as degree in so cal and transferred to another college in indiana when we moved here. i saw alot of the same weeding out that i am speaking of only they made it impossible to even get in the clinicals always changing the requirements and having a long waiting list. after finishing all my science and gen ed i figured it out and transferred to a large u. i am experiancing the same stuff i saw in california and at my local comm college. all three of thest school make it hard to become a nurse. i am in clinicals at the u but really want out, hate it and feel the wrongful stats going on. i now have my bs and am almost done with my clinicals. last semester i too failed a class by 1% and have to repeat it. (pharm i did not pass because i was not good at the math) the teacher didnt do it well and could hardly explain it. i had to go to my fellow students to learn how to do it. the teacher was asked by a student towards the end of the semester to reshow how a problem was done, i kid you not she asked to show it later because she couldnt remember how to do it! i paid alot for her to teach me and she sucked she was an rn not a teacher.

i know you will agree with me there is a teacher shortage, they offer low wages compared to the knowledge nec and after all you need a ms & often a phd to teach. nurses go into to nursing to care for patients and were really lucky when we get someone with teaching ability. also the state requires 1 teacher per 10 students for clinicals!!!

less students less teachers? hmmm., hospital facilities to practice in shortage??? hmmm. there are lots of politics at work here. you said it was the college weeding out, mostly that is whom i am targeting here. it sounds like your an awesome caring teacher i wish i could go to your school.

:yeah:

talbrecht · Jan 3, 2009

You as an adult learner are ultimately responsible for the grades you earn in nursing school or whether you pass or fail. The instructor cannot "guarantee" your success and cannot be blamed when you fail. The teacher or educator is a facilitator for learning - the main responsibility for learning always rests with the student. If a student is having difficulty in a course or clinical skill, then it is the student's responsibility to contact the instructor for further help. I believe this sense of entitlement ("it's the teacher's fault") comes from the "everyone receives a trophy" or "self-esteem" over-emphasis in elementary education. Also, an entitled public thinks that "paying" for a course should ultimately guarantee success.
Unfortunately, not everyone is cut out for nursing. We instructors try very hard to make sure students succeed, but some are simply unsafe. We care for the students but we also care for the public and we have a responsibility to turn out "safe" practitioners. As an example, I personally know of one student who was having issues and was in danger of failing. The instructors in the community college ADN program worked very diligently with him to help him succeed. This particular student was very presumptious and had a "know-it-all" attitude. After much work, he did graduate and passed the NCLEX. Tragically, during his first year of nursing, two patients died as a direct result of his negligence. In hindsight, it would have been much more compassionate for the patients to allow this student to fail.

:twocents: Preventing a person from becoming a nurse does not save the world. Many people die during their care because they are ill. Nurses are in place often just to comfort towards the end or often trying to save them in vain. The system in place depapers nurses that practice neglectful and often they are imprisioned. If he was so horrid how did he pass NCLEX? How did he get and keep a job? I am having a really hard time understanding the ohdassity of teachers preventing people from becoming nurses. A teacher is just suppose to teach, not judge. I just dont get it. It is shameful to think that someone who doesnt even know you has control over your career and livelyhood, it really makes me want to persue regulations about this instead of nursing! :redbeathe

Do you really think stopping a know it all from being a nurse will save lives?

OC85 · Jan 4, 2009

Preventing a person from becoming a nurse does not save the world. Many people die during their care because they are ill. Nurses are in place often just to comfort towards the end or often trying to save them in vain. The system in place depapers nurses that practice neglectful and often they are imprisioned. If he was so horrid how did he pass NCLEX? How did he get and keep a job? I am having a really hard time understanding the ohdassity of teachers preventing people from becoming nurses. A teacher is just suppose to teach, not judge. I just dont get it. It is shameful to think that someone who doesnt even know you has control over your career and livelyhood, it really makes me want to persue regulations about this instead of nursing! :redbeathe
Do you really think stopping a know it all from being a nurse will save lives?

As I am not an instructor, I will keep my opinions to myself. However, I couldn't help but notice that you seem dead set on placing almost all of the responsibility for a student's success on the instructor. Just out of curiosity, what [if anything] do you believe actually is the student's responsibility?

valmor1984 · Jan 4, 2009

talbrecht, your breathtaking wrong-headedness about the nature of teaching and learning has caused me to break my customary rule about never addressing student comments on this, the educator's forum.

"a teacher is just suppose to teach, not judge. i just dont get it."

no, you most certainly don't. a teacher is supposed to teach and judge. teach the material to the best of his/her ability, and judge whether the student took the time and effort to learn the skills and information (and will therefore be safe in nursing practice).

it is shameful to think that someone who doesnt even know you has control over your career and livelyhood, it really makes me want to persue regulations about this instead of nursing!

oh, we know you, all right. all too well, sometimes.

-we know the students who "don't have time to read the book" or "don't have time to complete those

online exercises"

-we know the students who come late, leave early, and text or nap throughout class

-we know the students who turn in work that is poorly done, late, or incomplete

-we know the students who come to the clinical area with preparation that is incomplete or non-existent

persue (it is spelled pursue, by the way) regulations? be my guest. i can assure you that members of governing bodies will ask themselves if they want simply more nurses to take care of them and their loved ones, or more good nurses. it is not all about numbers, i assure you.

you should ask yourself why you have the audacity (that is how that is spelled) to think that "everyone who wants to be a nurse should be to be one, and if they don't, it is the instructor's fault!". i want to be a prima ballerina, but i lack the talent, the balance, and the physical attributes to be one. do you think my failure, if i attempted this, would be the fault of the ballet mistress/master?

use your energy to correct the problems you have encountered in school. try to acquire some logical thought processes, as they will help you in clinical practice.

now i am back to "ignore" mode for student posts in this forum.

talbrecht · Jan 4, 2009

As I am not an instructor, I will keep my opinions to myself. However, I couldn't help but notice that you seem dead set on placing almost all of the responsibility for a student's success on the instructor. Just out of curiosity, what [if anything] do you believe actually is the student's responsibility?

:coollook:Well I believe that a student needs to come to class, every class, take notes, ask questions, comprehend every detail placed in front of them and ask for help if they dont understand. It is the students responsbility to ask for more help if it still does not seem clear. The student is responsbile for every requirement on the syllbus and for performing task correctly and safely.

The problem that I am trying to id is the fact that many instructors and school abitrarly made false judgements and block people from becoming nurses based on "how they feel". It is wrong. It is also wrong not to fully educate as I have seen many teachers do, they refuse to answer questions and they dont give any help to students in need. Lecturing from a telapromt powerpoint is not teaching. My gosh I have seen awesome professors in my school teaching political science, chemistry and microbiology. The professors were so smart I hated to leave class, I learned so much from them. I miss there classes and wish they taught nursing. So far I have had one nursing instructor that could kind of measure up to them. The teachers at my school are just the weeding police, flat line and full of their requirements. When you ask them a question or or for help, it is suggested that you seek outside help or sit in on a student group taught by an student instructor. My professors are too busy to even return an email for up to a week. One of my instructors never even returned my emails ever.

There is a nursing shortage, yet you are only passing 1/3 of the class?

So many people are leaving nursing if they can even get in to a program.

Teachers are not guiding or nurturing students, they are not lecturing from knowledge and they certainly do not make it interesting. The schools need to recruit from the education department, making nurses teachers is not the key. Education majors in Biology or some other field might be the key. Rigid test were the entire class does not pass should be a red flag to adminstration. When less than 1/2 the class passes that should be a red flag. When

assignments are graded based on bias subjective detail (whether or not a instructor likes you) that should be a red flag.

Teaching is important as well as being a student, when the student gives 100% and only get 10% from the teacher where is the recourse? Am I not paying to learn? What can a student do? Is all the requirement the students? Am I obligated to pay for a class, but the book, attend every session, take every test and perform practiums, do every research paper and presentation with nothing in return? I do not feel that I am getting my monies worth at my school. I should sue, but I am not interested in wasting my energy. I just want to be a nurse. :heartbeat