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This is a old post wondering how your doing? There are many things you can do in the field, it sounds like you were in the wrong job.Did you QUIT, and find another specialty. That is the beauty of Nursing you can work in lots of different positions and it sounds like the group your with has a click.

:redbeathe:redbeathe:redbeatheCardiology secret.. use acetone. Shave them and wipe on the acetone, then good luck getting them off, you will have to yank! Your welcome

:DI have been a Cardiovascular Technologist for the last 23 yrs and going to school to be an RN. What your going through it perfectly normal. Conflict is part of the job, but you will find as time goes by your ironing out the creases and building strong emotional skills. I have seen many nurses crumble when certain doctors even approached bc of their reputation. Stay strong. It is common knowledge to be the norm. The very doctors who made others cry tested me out and if you stay professional through it you earn your respect. No one tells you these things in school. It most certainly is shocking, but it happens rarely once you get strong sea legs it will not even bother you. Sounds like you did nothing wrong and were caught up in their passing their own stress. Since you are already a nurse you know how stressful times get and no excuses some people do not control themselves. Dont let it worry you, it gets better. Once a Cardiologists yelled at me bc he was loosing a patient in the ER, I already did my testing but he requested an Echo Tech be called in. I was the one in charge of calling her(in my yeah right spare time inbetween many codes in the ER.) Well the tech took 1 1/2hrs and was still not there, he flipped out at me almost in tears yelling how his patient was about to code and where was she etc.... I knew he was stressed and didnt take it personally. Most new nurses would of been on the ground balling or would of walked and never came back. It really is a rewarding job. Stay strong I bet your an awesome nurse! :redpinkheCan you believe that I am still wanting to be an RN, there is a reason, it is an awesome field.

:wink2:My school has mandatory enterance exams that include math, how can you say that this would justify not properly teaching medication math. It is so important yet they act like five minutes on it is justified. There should be an entire class on math if that is the case, if you claim it is so necessary on a daily base for a nurse. I worked sided by side jointly on patients in the ER and critical units, they never once used math calculations. It is already figured.

Your very mean and insensitive with your verbbage. 75% should be a C, a D should be alot lower than 78%. At my school I got a 78% and 79 was a C ( passing.) Your wrong employers think a scale is 90-100% A 80-89 B 70-79C 60-69 D and 59 lower an F. Your right on the pre-meditation, I knew before starting that I needed a 79% to pass. I didnt know what the gamble was. I took an 7 thousand dollar chance and lost. You even noted that a 78% means I pass, no according to the rules I failed. A- D means you failed. You need a 79% to barely pass at my school. A- B is 87% Be sensitive to what I am saying. Your half way agreeing with me. More instructors need teaching credidentials and nurturing screening. :redbeathe

:up:Yeah, my instructor spent a minimal time on the math, yet it was tested every week. Literally we were shown a concept; the teacher did one problem on the board and then told us to do a two page ditto and let her know if we had questions. We asked the questions and she spent another 5 min., the next week we were tested on it. Many complained and consulted each other to actually learn the concept. What is a students recourse? Repeat the class, didnt I pay for an instructor, what is their responsibility? What obligation does the school have to provide a teacher who can teach and not just a nurse showing you how? The teacher admitted that she was not good at the math either. Yes, we went to her privately for more help, still she lacked the ability to explain it to the point that it was just easier to elect a student good at it to teach us. On the math final I got 30/50, yes I realize that is not good enough and yes it caused me my grade in the class. I needed approx. 40/50 to pass with the 79%. Now I have to pay for the class again and be behind a semester bc I can not progress. These schools are not monitored for poor teaching, requirements that are not appropriate (79% was our passing) and they can weed out whom ever they want. They are allowed to set what ever requirements they want. I think the states should set them across the US. That would be fair. How can a 78% be a D? Anywhere else is it almost a B. You say your passing is 77%. When my transcripts are reviewed and show a D an employer would not know that a D is 78% it looks really bad. I think 78% does not reflect a D. I dont understand how the same school can have two different grading scales even how different schools can? It is not right. My school weeded out alot of my class recently now we see why, many classes are cut for lack of teachers. 60 were in my program, they are only offering 40 seats in classes. It is clear. Something should be done

:redbeathe Thanks for the suggestions, yes I saw the instructor in her office who suggested students help me if I under stand it since it was not clicking the way that she presented it. She couldnt even help another student by answering a problem on the board right before a quiz. 1/2 way though the class she totally changed her way of explaining the material saying maybe we should try it this new way. Claimed she was not good at math either. I already make way more than an LPN and already have that equal status in the field. I have done everything an LPN does & more because I also have an xray license and am an excellant coder and biller. I even enjoyed being an office manager and have 7 years supervisory experiance. I was a Cardiovascular Tech in a busy So-Cal ER first response for all cardiac patients and did that for many years. I have many choices of jobs that I can do right now and would have no problem getting a job. I dont want it, I quit to go to school FT to be an RN. It is in my heart and I know god wants me to be one. I want to be an RN and I am too old to wait any longer. I understand that math skills are important, I also know that as a nurse the dose is already figured by the pharmacist and nurses use cheat sheets if they have the slightist question about a pharm error. The RN's that I did clinicals with told me they dont use math and just learn it so I can get through. I gave medications for many years already as a MA. I am not wasting energy or effort sharing my story I am doing it for others so they can learn from my story. I am also doing it in hope to touch instructors who are judgemental instead of full of guidance and help. You sound like a great instructor, the fact that you even took a moment to reply shows tons of kindness and I thank you. I hope you will touch many. My current story goes I have been sent a letter of dismissal for not passing clinical pharm by 3%. I am a Jr in a BSN program and have spent 35K already in fees. I have reapplied with a letter stating that I will get a tutor on the final I was 10 points from getting the B I needed to pass, instead I got a C. It is hard not be think that it is all in vain and that other people can block your career choice.

:crying2:Bravo, I so agree. There is no nurturing in the programs, the professors across the board are full of vinager and offer zero help, they are harsh and judgemental using their authority to block the door to nursing. They only want a select few book worms with blonde hair that are 19 yrs old and the rest are doing other 2nd choice careers. Meanwhile as these book worms graduate they lack street smarts of balance to allow them to function on their own without books. Many of them graduate as nurses and hate it. It takes a good teacher to mold the book information with the practical skills. The instructors are playing god and lack the insight of the facts and the harm they themselves are causing society. So many people out there do not see why there is a nursing shortage. It is not because people lack the desire and determination, the word needs to get out before there are changes. We are in a severe nursing shortage that eventually will cause harm to society because of the games these institutions are allowed to play out. I hope more people are made aware of this huge problem:scrying:

Thanks, many of my friends are experiancing problems. Two have given up and will not become a nurses. In my current study group from last semester I have to repeat one class, one passed all, one is leaving the school for another and the other is changing majors. One person out of all had no conflict, another was told when she asked for help to quit her job and the other was told to stop going to church. When I asked for help I was referred to the counciling center to be tested for a learning disability and told that I should ask my advisor for help or attend SI sessions. The teacher did not suggest one thing to improve my scores. I hopefully can get through this program but worry alot. I hear so many other students talking down their classes too. :uhoh21:

:di am a good student, i attend every class, read the book over and over and over, read the study guide, complete every assignment on time, never am late always early, i am wide awake always asking questions, always prepared for clinicals infact often share with other students who are not prepared. i even print out the power point and go over that repeating it like flash cards. oh yes, i also make flash cards. i am dream student. i am awesome at patient care with 23 yrs experiance as a ma, cardiovascular tech and radiology technoligist. i have a foundation that most rn student dont come with, my instructor tells me that perhaps that is getting in the way of better grades. i only get b's and c's and rarely see an a. on subjective material i am lucky to get 40/50. in practiciums i get 100%. i failed pharm by 1% based on math, got 30/50 and asked for help never getting it. i had a crappie teacher. i give 100% to my program and just dont feel that my instructors do. should i not be allowed to be an rn? maybe because i did not do good on the math final i should leave the medical field ? i did excellant on my test, practium and research paper, on many of the math quizes got 10/10 or even 7/10 but that was because i sought extra help from students!

:coollook:Well I believe that a student needs to come to class, every class, take notes, ask questions, comprehend every detail placed in front of them and ask for help if they dont understand. It is the students responsbility to ask for more help if it still does not seem clear. The student is responsbile for every requirement on the syllbus and for performing task correctly and safely. The problem that I am trying to id is the fact that many instructors and school abitrarly made false judgements and block people from becoming nurses based on "how they feel". It is wrong. It is also wrong not to fully educate as I have seen many teachers do, they refuse to answer questions and they dont give any help to students in need. Lecturing from a telapromt powerpoint is not teaching. My gosh I have seen awesome professors in my school teaching political science, chemistry and microbiology. The professors were so smart I hated to leave class, I learned so much from them. I miss there classes and wish they taught nursing. So far I have had one nursing instructor that could kind of measure up to them. The teachers at my school are just the weeding police, flat line and full of their requirements. When you ask them a question or or for help, it is suggested that you seek outside help or sit in on a student group taught by an student instructor. My professors are too busy to even return an email for up to a week. One of my instructors never even returned my emails ever. There is a nursing shortage, yet you are only passing 1/3 of the class? So many people are leaving nursing if they can even get in to a program. Teachers are not guiding or nurturing students, they are not lecturing from knowledge and they certainly do not make it interesting. The schools need to recruit from the education department, making nurses teachers is not the key. Education majors in Biology or some other field might be the key. Rigid test were the entire class does not pass should be a red flag to adminstration. When less than 1/2 the class passes that should be a red flag. When assignments are graded based on bias subjective detail (whether or not a instructor likes you) that should be a red flag. Teaching is important as well as being a student, when the student gives 100% and only get 10% from the teacher where is the recourse? Am I not paying to learn? What can a student do? Is all the requirement the students? Am I obligated to pay for a class, but the book, attend every session, take every test and perform practiums, do every research paper and presentation with nothing in return? I do not feel that I am getting my monies worth at my school. I should sue, but I am not interested in wasting my energy. I just want to be a nurse. :heartbeat

Preventing a person from becoming a nurse does not save the world. Many people die during their care because they are ill. Nurses are in place often just to comfort towards the end or often trying to save them in vain. The system in place depapers nurses that practice neglectful and often they are imprisioned. If he was so horrid how did he pass NCLEX? How did he get and keep a job? I am having a really hard time understanding the ohdassity of teachers preventing people from becoming nurses. A teacher is just suppose to teach, not judge. I just dont get it. It is shameful to think that someone who doesnt even know you has control over your career and livelyhood, it really makes me want to persue regulations about this instead of nursing! :redbeathe Do you really think stopping a know it all from being a nurse will save lives?

:nuke: :redbeathei was not targeting you, so sorry if you took it that way. i am speaking specifically of the teachers that dont care and the school that dont do their best to teach. i have seen many that dont work like you do. i however think that a student should not be left alone to care for a patient until they are a licensed rn. it think it is a huge liability to not pair them up with licensed rn to train them constantly. what i am have experianced is schools who barely even do clinicals, three out of four of my classes last semester that are part of strictly clinicals are not caring for patients. in nursing assessment there were no clinical experiances, we did our clinicals on each other hardly even supervised. in nursing pharm we watched one med pass for 1 hour and toured a pharmacy. in mental health we visited aaa meetings and then did a week of monitoring a rn and we required to do nothing! my fundmentals class had 4 weeks of clinical care in a nursing home strictly monitored by a shadow. we never got to draw blood, give meds, start iv's etc! my specific issues and why i sound so hard about schools is: i have seen many friends get the boot for being 2% away from passing two classes and be kicked out of the program. we are talking they got 77% and 79% was a c that you needed to pass! no second tries, no waiting for a readmit. also the teachers are not teaching, they lecture by reading a powerpoint, refuse questions, cant show you examples and complain of time constraints for helping you. they give tests that have two answers that trick you like: your treating a teen boy doing a pe what is the appropriate ? to ask him. a. do you use condoms? b. do you have any questions about sex? c. ask him does he have any questions d. only exam him and wait for questions. i answered a and got it wrong it was b. i would answer that question the same in a clinical setting. alot of the ? are clinical trip ups. in my class you need 79% for a c, the class average was 75%! no one passed. there were a ton of questions made up that were really ironic. there is rumor that pharm is set up as a weed out class 15% passes. mental health 12 of us out of 60 passed. the program is never full and becomes smaller as they go progressively higher in classes. out of 49 in a program 15 or less pass. there are rumors that if you come from this school they frown on hiring you and they make fun of the students saying they come from the white tower of zero experiance. the rn's in clinicals helping us whisper under their breath, dont do it like they show you! i started my as degree in so cal and transferred to another college in indiana when we moved here. i saw alot of the same weeding out that i am speaking of only they made it impossible to even get in the clinicals always changing the requirements and having a long waiting list. after finishing all my science and gen ed i figured it out and transferred to a large u. i am experiancing the same stuff i saw in california and at my local comm college. all three of thest school make it hard to become a nurse. i am in clinicals at the u but really want out, hate it and feel the wrongful stats going on. i now have my bs and am almost done with my clinicals. last semester i too failed a class by 1% and have to repeat it. (pharm i did not pass because i was not good at the math) the teacher didnt do it well and could hardly explain it. i had to go to my fellow students to learn how to do it. the teacher was asked by a student towards the end of the semester to reshow how a problem was done, i kid you not she asked to show it later because she couldnt remember how to do it! i paid alot for her to teach me and she sucked she was an rn not a teacher. i know you will agree with me there is a teacher shortage, they offer low wages compared to the knowledge nec and after all you need a ms & often a phd to teach. nurses go into to nursing to care for patients and were really lucky when we get someone with teaching ability. also the state requires 1 teacher per 10 students for clinicals!!! less students less teachers? hmmm., hospital facilities to practice in shortage??? hmmm. there are lots of politics at work here. you said it was the college weeding out, mostly that is whom i am targeting here. it sounds like your an awesome caring teacher i wish i could go to your school.

:nuke: So when the student does it wrong by leaving the room gowned or not giving the bed bath correctly or not knowing what a drug is what do you do? Do you teach them the correct way? You need to teach them that is your job. A student was allowed to take vitals while a patient was in the bathroom. So did you tell them that was not appropriate and teach him? The requirements to get into a program and the things that are suppose to screen out students that can not read or write, hello. All the other things you spoke of can be taught. You sound fustrated and judgements calling students lazy. Nursing students are anything but lazy. I agree some may need more guidance but as a student paying to be taught it is their right to make mistakes and learn. It is your duty to make sure as they learn no one is hurt and that is where your screeing can come in to play. Dont allow students to practice things on people until they are ready and then guide them as they do until they are good at the task. There is also nothing wrong with making them repeat the class if they need to learn more from you! That is the key allowing them to re-take the class if you think they have not mastered the skills should be encouraged. Most schools kick them out. I read what you said and still think that teachers are responsible for the learning process as much as the student. The teach fails when they dont teach the student. That is their obligation. :redbeathe

Your partly right,many enter into this field not really knowing what a nurse really does and the pros and cons connected. Many students are fresh out of high school really not totally evolved yet. So how do they even know what they want to be. So that is what you may be seeing. There are only a few like me entering as a older adult with hands on experiance. I have seen it from the coast to coast, I have many years experiance in the field and coming back to just get papered with a degree. I have given shots, taken blood and taken care of patients. There are some good and bad nurses out there. We need more good nurses who are fostered with compassion. Many schools have ruined peoples hearts and they still end up with the degree only to learn the mean ways of the school and have hardened hearts! Here is another prospective................... A student is a fresh person for a teacher to mold, guide and shape---not judge. When they leave the major, you have failed as a teacher to do your job. It wasnt that they were not fit or that they are not smart enough or it is the wrong profession for them. You as a teacher failed to teach them or even keep them in interest. It is so much easier to not be a nurse. Why would you want to scare them away to not do everything in your might to encourage and train. They are the soldiers of humanity. They want to care for the sick, the elderly the needy and they also want to help humanity stay healthy. Why would a school limit that? Why would someone who wanted to teach someone think it was ok to give up? The teacher fails. How does that get justified? Humanity will suffer from this ergnorant behavior. How dare they.most of all shame on them. Education is a journey.. A nurse is a nurturer and schools need to teacher that aspect too. Clinicals and experiance show students what they will be doing and they need to be able to learn to do it. Nursing students need to be encouraged to show compasion and resistants to pressure from over stress. The nightengale heart is missing, there is no compassion only regulation and dissmissal for non-conformity. It is not the schools job to judge who will be a good nurse. It is their duty to teach! Many schools are failing. Many young students go a stray and are not taught. They are smart and see nursing is not for them because why would anyone want to be in a program that is not encouraged. It needs to be attractive and desired other wise the school looses another perspective candiate to teach. They are a factory not putting out enough production! They constantly loose students to other professions. Why would a teacher or a school be proud of that? Is it a club or a click for only certain people or types. Are teachers playing god? In my prospective in vein they are! Shame on the systems that allow this. I have worked side by side with RN's in the ER for many years, I have worked for many hospitals and physicans. I too as a medical professional. I felt the stress, saw the emotional up and down and felt all kinds of pressure. I have been first on hand to help someone dying and lost and saved patients. I have worked the long hours, been part of the team that morned together as we lost as patient and relished in the glory of seeing someone over come something really life threatening. I am lucky and know that I want to be a RN so I fight for my right to an education and my journey has been tought. I know what students feel and experiance. Any other person that has seen in the schools what I have would of ran fast to another profession. I am embarrassed for them. I am solid and am almost finished, but as I finish I see the crooked schools and want to do something to help others. It is NOT right. Students beware. We want to be an RN's and the system as it is set up fails students. It causes road blocks and short falls student nurses. The requirements are one sides, perform meet the red tape requirement be book smart and then they throw them out for hospital employees to train the correct way. The nurses in the hospital say, 'FORGET EVERYTHING THEY TAUGHT YOU IN NURSING SCHOOL AND DO IT THIS WAY."So why am I paying my school? Is it just for a piece of paper saying I was in the white tower of education? It says that I endured the system and yes I want to be a nurse. In my clincals do you know that none of the students have been allowed to draw blood, start an IV, do a cath, or give medications and frankly I am in a BSN program! The teachers says that you learn that later, dont expect experiance yet. They teach the small facts in piece meal form, show you films on this stuff and let you do it on rubber molds. It is all about tripin up and weeding out those who can not pass the test that have no basis. Most of the grades are subjective. Does the teacher like you. DO they think you have what it takes. Within the course never is nurturing fostered or expressed. If anything going through the system hardens you, makes you cold and is cut throat. You have to be surviver to make it, be creative and patient. Scary... with all this in the way why would anyone want to be a nurse. Another fact with the shortage who will take care of us. Why would the system make it so unpleasant and difficult to be a nurse. Why would teachers want to encourage people to drop out or deem them not fit to care for human needs? It is wrong. I hope teachers read this : If a student decides they want to be a nurse schools should encourage them, teach them and guide them. If they have short comings in certain areas teachers should tutor them TEACH THEM SO THEY UNDERSTAND. Everyone is entitled and capable of learning. For the sake of human kindness and the capability of our citzens teachers need to ensure that anyone wanting to be a nurse learn how. Society needs them. It is not rocket scientist material, everyone can be taught. What is going to happen when student nurses change majors, who will take care of the sick and needy. Compassion needs to be taught to RN Professors so that they can teach their students properly. It is not about who the teacher thinks will be a good nurse. It is about educating people who want to be nurses and then making them good ones! The system is broke. I think as I get my degree I am going to go to the State Legistators and work on regulations regarding this. Perhaps I may be so distracted being angry at the broken system that I too change career paths and protect more students instead of helping patients in the hospital. I may touch more lives that way! Someone needs to do something and students need to be warry of poor schools. From these blogs it seems like the problem is everywhere. If you are a teacher, I hope you will change the system in your school. :heartbeat