Why Does It Seem That RN's Hate Us and Hospitals Don't Believe In Us??

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Im a new PN grad and have been a STNA (state tested nurse assistant) for 7 years; but as a graduate it seems that RN's are threatened by PN's or feel that we don't know anything and hospitals dont want us, at least that's been my experience with my job search here in Ohio and Ga and I don't understand why. We as PN's have to learn @least 80% of the material that a student in a ADN program learns in 11 months vs. 2 yrs, so what makes us different besides the rate of pay, which really isn't any different at least in Oh where a UNEXPERIENCED LPN makes minimally TO START 16.75 w/o differential and more for being IV and CPR certified and a UNEXPERIENCEC RN makes IN OHIO makes 17.00/hr. I don't want to come across as confrontational because that's not why Im writing. I just want to get some other points of view from LPN'S AND RN'S to help me understand.:confused:

As an LPN- I can truely say I have either never encountered this whole RN vs. LPN thing, or my attention has been draw elsewhere! I have worked in LTC, hospitals and homecare. The bottom line is: a good nurse is a good nurse. And a good team is a good team- all that matters at the end of the day is the care we were able to give the patients we were assigned to care for.

I am returning to get my RN- NOT because I feel that as an LPN I am doing less. But as an RN-I can do more. Does that make sense?

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amen!!! In response to post from Nrs Jena (above post)

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amen!!! (in response to nrsjena's post)

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Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Amen to that. A few extra fluff classes, it ain't! (Like some have characterized BSN programs to be)

My nose is definitely to the grindstone this semester. (and the potter's wheel for that matter.)

Amen indeed.

Don't you love it when you read "the only difference between an ADN degree and BSN degree is a few liberal arts courses" :lol2: :lol2:

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I have worked in a community hospital 4 years now, I am in my early 50's. I have worked with people, some who are very good nurses and some who are sadly needing a lot of help, these were LPN's and RN's both. You are correct that the state and the hospital also stop LPN's from doing some things an RN can do. I do assessments, read the Dr's orders, chart pie , admit pts. give meds, except for blood products, or pushes. I do all my own i.v. sticks as well as most of the other nurses. They have stopped hiring LPN's at this hosp. I do not want to go on for RN, due to my age as well as my husband having had cancer a few years ago, time is precious to me now, and i don't want to use it to get RN for the money. I feel i am an integral part of my team and most staff gets along very well, there are those who don't and it doesn't take the title to do this. Some people just don't like each other, no matter who you are. When I go home I feel good about what i have done. I hope you all do.:balloons:

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When I started as a new LVN in Cali the majority of supervisory positions were all RN's, they used as ordered via state board of nursing to supervise all Lvn's Lpn's. My experience overall positive until I moved to Atlanta Ga. Then the hate relationship started, white,black(+)asian,span., mexican whatever. RN's the majority were arrogant, poor leadership qualities and in positions they truly should have not been in because of the lack of skills needed to be assuring,positive,and professional with their co-workers (lpn'). I have only expierenced a hand count on one hand of total ethical behavior of secured,positive,and passionant registered nurses in Georgia. I have been blocked from Emory and Grady clinics due to unorthodox and charactor depleating behaviors from these people. I only pray to God almightly to forgive them that judged me because of my opinionated type, not in a negative sence, my secured behavior, in which they only judged me do to the fact I am Lpn person last. At 57 yrs of age I been a Lpn for 27 yrs and practice as taught in school on ethics. Don't mean to be negative, but, this has been the most horrible exp. the past 12 yrs here in Ga. dealing with so many misfits with positions. Sad.

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jrlpn-

Don't apologize for being negative. I can relate to much of what you've stated and I'm sure that others can as well.

Unfortunately, many RN programs do not teach the "leadership" type of skills that you are referring to. (I didn't say all everyone)

The result is nurses being promoted to leadership type positions by virtue of their degree atttained, and perhaps other factors such as having worked in a particular hospital for 100 years or being an administrator's friend or little pet.

We all know that way too many nurses get promoted for all the wrong reasons.

I would bet that most of us get our leadership skills via role models at work. If you don't have good role models, you could end up becoming one of the same toxic nurse managers that once bullied and terrorized you and your old unit.

I've heard very few GA nurses complaining about the "Good old boys club" mentality that seems to be so prominent in TX but your story sounds similar to many in the Lone Star State.

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I hate to sound rude but is this post ever going to end? It all sounds like a bunch of whinning and boo hooing to me. All I have to say is, if you don't respect yourself then no one else will. Who cares if RN's hate LPN's or MSN or BSN or CNA's. :uhoh21: Be proud and confident of what you are and what you do for your patients. Everyone has a place in life and you all should be happy where you are. If not, do what ever it takes to change it. Everyone needs to just get over it and do their job. Life is too short to worry about what everyone else thinks. We are here to serve each other. That is why we got into the field.

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My apologies if this reply sounded rude and insensitive. I meant no disrespect to anyone.

I hate to sound rude but is this post ever going to end? It all sounds like a bunch of whinning and boo hooing to me. All I have to say is, if you don't respect yourself then no one else will. Who cares if RN's hate LPN's or MSN or BSN or CNA's. :uhoh21: Be proud and confident of what you are and what you do for your patients. Everyone has a place in life and you all should be happy where you are. If not, do what ever it takes to change it. Everyone needs to just get over it and do their job. Life is too short to worry about what everyone else thinks. We are here to serve each other. That is why we got into the field.
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Specializes in all areas.

In my many years of nursing, I have seen the best and worst of all levels of the medical team. I truly believe that good nursing comes from the heart so all of us should work as a team. Each of us has a valuable role to play and each is equally important to the success of the team. There should be no jealousy or fault finding. Some people are just better (by nature and experience and education) at certain things and those things should be acknowledged and used for the best of the working environment. When I was younger, I was the med nurse when the charge nurse was working but on her time off, I was med nurse AND charge nurse. Go figure. But I did my jobs well and without complaint because I loved what I was doing. It is unfortunate for the many RNs working in hospitals today that don't have the extra hands of an LPN to help them out. I do think it would be beneficial if the scope of practice was reevaluated and more responsibilites given to qualified LPNs to relieve some of the pressures on the RNs in charge. Just my humble opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

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I do think it would be beneficial if the scope of practice was reevaluated and more responsibilites given to qualified LPNs to relieve some of the pressures on the RNs in charge. Just my humble opinion and I hope I didn't offend anyone.

Not only do I agree with this, I've personally seen the big difference it would make.

I've worked in states that had very rigid scope of practice for LPN's and it showed on the floor. Much higher stress and frustration from RN's and LPN's alike.

When I started working in TX where LVN's don't have a laundry list of "can't do's" written by the state, by allowing them to give their own IV pushes alone was a tremendous help all by itself even if no ther improvements were made by a given facility.

Despite the warnings I'd heard from my former northern co-workers and managers about TX allowing LVN's to do such things, the patients were not, in fact, dropping off like flies because LVN's were pushing their own morphine. It works very well with the proper education and training.

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I'm so sorry that you have had bad experiences. I am not a nurse, but just by lurking through threads, school and other factors I can say that the same or similar can be perceived by other people.

For example, the CNA experiencing the same from the LVN, the ADN from the BSN, the student with no medical experience from the CNA or LPN, and so on. I am sure not all do it, but I think it is safe to say that there are always a few bad apples in every position, location, and career.

Best wishes to you.:)

I am a registered nurse and have worked for 24 years. I do get tired or some RNs who think they are better then everyone else. Yes I do carry more responsibility then an LVN/LPN, but I also know it takes a team of people to care for our patients. LPN/LVNS, CNA, Enviormental Services, Dietary, Radiology, respitory, surgical techs and secretaries (I hope I did not miss anyone), are all part of the team. Everyone needs to be respected. I have been working in my hospital on a campaign to break the LPN/LVN, tech contract. It has been a horrible fight, but we won. One of my friends who is a respiratory therapist came to me an said thankyou. She said I did not have to do it because it was not my fight. But I felt is was my fight. I feel we all need equal representation and protection. I work for the 2nd largest for profit company and that is what they are about PROFITS, not patient care or employee care. I will stand up for my brother and sisters everytime, no matter what position they hold.

Proud to be a Union Nurse

Karenpj;) :balloons:

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