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Why Do Nurses Eat Their Own?

Why did I become a nurse? To help others who need it or to eat my young?

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Specializes in ER,ICU.

As current times have shown, we're short staffed. Administration wants to make money. So cuts are made to equipment and man power. Who has your back? Who can you rely on? Your fellow nurses? I'm not so sure anymore. Why do we as nurses eat our own when we should be teaching them and guarding them as our own. The fact is as we age our young nurses are going to be taking care of us, but there are those all too eager beavers who will in fact burn you. This is my experience. You are reading page 10 of Why Do Nurses Eat Their Own?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

Hollybobs

Specializes in ICU.

"JimmyDurham9 offer evidence to back his assertions, many others on this thread only offer anecdotes and emotions.

The plural of anecdote is NOT data..."

JimmyDurham9 said:
Another problem with our profession and society in general is "head in the sand" mentality. Who needs evidence when you can arbitrarily cherry pick isolated incidences out of context and dig your heels in?

Um, you know this is an informal and subjective thread started specifically to look at "personal experience" and the OP asked for "opinions"? If it were a different type of thread then I would not have solely used anecdotal, emotive evidence but in this case, these were relevant and requested.

And obviously no-one thinks all the nurses who say they are bullied are part of the problem, the use of the word "sometimes" in Celtic Goddess's post gives that away. I have also come across the mean co-worker who played the victim everywhere she went- it is pretty annoying behaviour.

The plural of 1 forum member criticising others based on inaccurate foundations is not 2 forum members who couldn't benefit from re-reading the information given before responding.

LadyFree28, BSN, RN

Specializes in Pediatrics, Rehab, Trauma.

JimmyDurham9 said:
The ANA is fighting for nurses like you and like me; pretty much every nurse. Staffing ratios? We've taken it to legislators, we're fighting for you all.

Improved educational programs? We're fighting for that and collaborating with leaders in the field to solve problems. No one is trying to manipulate anyone.

If more nurses were involved, and actually collaborated to solve problems instead of just point them out, way more can be done.

And at a risk of sounding snarky, jargon is part of nursing. You can only be manipulated by jargon if you opt for ignorance, and don't learn the terms necessary to perform your jobs. If you're not comfortable with understanding it, then please take a class or continuing education course to get comfortable with medical terminology.

This same ANA doesn't stand for nurse ratios, pushing for higher education without having a pathway for experienced nurses. You are mistaken to believe they believe in federally mandated ratios.

The organization out there that have fought for federally mandated ratios are the NNU, a nursing Union originated from California that has pushed for the current federal bill in Congress.

Don't hook your star on the ANA; I found being unionized and in touch with a national nurses Union to be FAR more beneficial than that of the ANA.

As far as your research, I saw only ANA "position papers"; none had abstracts to them, nor sample size; nursing research, as with all research models have abstract, sample size, methods, either quantitative or qualitative.

I'm sure there are qualitative studies out there; I have been looking into some research into methods and improving the morale of my unit, although my research , sample and methods are in the preliminary stages and although it's not being raised to get an IRB, I'm careful to enjoy research on a quantitative scale; I hope you are able to find research within the last five years as to your position.

And my unit's morale is something based in management and how they value and trust the staff; and they have exemplified that they don't; and most of management lack emotional intelligence.

ETA: if anyone wants to look FAR into my post history, I have been bullied in the past as a child, a Domestic Violence and a Gun Violence survivor; I have endured "hostile" people in workplaces and have advocated for myself, that alone has shaped me as an individual who doesn't take kindly to people who like to abuse their power or manipulate in an attempt to control; and how I present myself professionally and personally makes me less of a pleasurable target; but with all things in life being a huge life long lesson-we learn all the way up until the day we die, paraphrasing Erik Ericsson-we can learn from challenges and become MUCH stronger, especially when we stand up for ourselves and command respect and/or find opportunities to be in positions to make changes, as I have learned and have grabbed on to have that experience. :yes:

I'm not sure that was the other poster's intent (she can answer for herself), but I'll go on record defending that stance, at least in some circumstances.

Trying to wrongfully hurt a coworker is the fundamental issue. Some choose to do so directly (intimidating, threatening, physically harming, etc - classic bullying behavior). Others use authority figures as a proxy and file false or misleading reports or leverage their own sway with management as their weapon of choice. In the real world, being the first to appeal to authority doesn't always mean you're in the right.

The rape analogy doesn't fit and is needlessly hyperbolic. A nurse who files a complaint may have a legitimate case; she may have merely experienced a misunderstanding; she may be over-reacting to normal interactions in a busy and stressful environment (this happens A LOT, IME); or she may be vindictively trying to hurt another nurse she just doesn't like. You're assuming too much.

I have found the ANA does not represent us very effectively at all, for all the reasons stated in the well-worded post before this.

I used to be a member. Have since stopped membership. They do NOT represent ME at all. They do NOT care for our plight.

And pardon me if I don't like a male (or anyone, really) making a "rape" analogy here. If you have not been a rape victim, or have a loved one who has, you would not know.

It is a poor and offensive analogy to me.

Edited by SmilingBluEyes

JimmyDurham9

Specializes in Ambulatory Care, LTC, OB, CCU, Occ Hth.

And I find your bringing gender into the equation equally offensive. My gender has no bearing here.

So, pardon me if I find your sexist comments offensive.

CelticGoddess, BSN, RN

Specializes in Palliative, Onc, Med-Surg, Home Hospice.

Um, no, I am not saying that. And as a rape survivor, I find your comment to be cold and calloused. How did you even come up with that?

I thought my point was pretty clear: I do believe that bullying occurs but sometimes the bully deflects by yelling bully. Did I not also say that another co-worker was being bullied? Did I not say that yes, it happens? And did I not say that SOMETIMES the bully deflects? Seriously, are you deliberately being obtuse?

JimmyDurham9

Specializes in Ambulatory Care, LTC, OB, CCU, Occ Hth.

I have more important things to do than carry this on. Everyone is entitled to their own brand of ignorance should they so elect. This is not a rationale, educated discussion of issues. It's devolved into petty arguing and pitting nurses who feel bullying is an issue against the nurses who deny it is an issue and participate in it.

My main point is if you don't like something, change it; get involved. Otherwise you're just a bunch of bitter nurses sitting around and complaining.

JimmyDurham9 said:
And I find your bringing gender into the equation equally offensive. My gender has no bearing here.

So, pardon me if I find your sexist comments offensive.

If you have been a victim of rape you might understand. But I doubt you have. That is why I am offended. It's personal for me.

Anyhow you took this so off-topic. I am done addressing you.

You would do well to re-evaluate hitching your star to the ANA. THAT much is on-topic.

Other that that, I do wish you well. Onward and upward!

JimmyDurham9 said:
And I find your bringing gender into the equation equally offensive. My gender has no bearing here.

So, pardon me if I find your sexist comments offensive.

Offended again?

When she clarifies and says anyone else for that matter.

JimmyDurham9 said:
I have more important things to do than carry this on. Everyone is entitled to their own brand of ignorance should they so elect. This is not a rationale, educated discussion of issues. It's devolved into petty arguing and pitting nurses who feel bullying is an issue against the nurses who deny it is an issue and participate in it.

My main point is if you don't like something, change it; get involved. Otherwise you're just a bunch of bitter nurses sitting around and complaining.

Except for you, yes?

And that's "biter".

Nope cause, the ANA will fix it allllll for us.

Ruby Vee, BSN

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

JimmyDurham9 said:
I have more important things to do than carry this on. Everyone is entitled to their own brand of ignorance should they so elect. This is not a rationale, educated discussion of issues. It's devolved into petty arguing and pitting nurses who feel bullying is an issue against the nurses who deny it is an issue and participate in it.

My main point is if you don't like something, change it; get involved. Otherwise you're just a bunch of bitter nurses sitting around and complaining.

So either you feel bullying is an issue or you're a bully? Bovine feces! There are plenty of us out there who think bullying as an issue is mostly in the eye of the beholder (meaning that many of those incidents presented as "bullying" are nothing of the sort) and do not participate in bullying of any sort.

And if you want to insult us, it's "Biter nurse", not bitter.

Ruby Vee said:
So either you feel bullying is an issue or you're a bully? Bovine feces! There are plenty of us out there who think bullying as an issue is mostly in the eye of the beholder (meaning that many of those incidents presented as "bullying" are nothing of the sort) and do not participate in bullying of any sort.

And if you want to insult us, it's "Biter nurse", not bitter.

Ummm, I stole your line, Your Majesty. Scroll up.

LadyFree28, BSN, RN

Specializes in Pediatrics, Rehab, Trauma.

SmilingBluEyes said:
Nope cause, the ANA will fix it allllll for us.

:laugh:

Yes, they have alll the answers...

If I knew that, I should've called them up when management were targeting and pushing people out the door...

How they KNEW they were staffing poorly because of their action, and yet, nothing.

I can go on and on about how nursing was severely cut, affecting pt safety.

If that was the case that ANA would "fight for us," my hospital and my unit would've been fixed by now...poor us...using our allegedly biter ;) lazy uneducated selves to organize and now force corporate to do by us the MAIN reason why they make their money-NURSING care.

Ok...

JimmyDurham9 said:
I have more important things to do than carry this on. Everyone is entitled to their own brand of ignorance should they so elect. This is not a rationale, educated discussion of issues. It's devolved into petty arguing and pitting nurses who feel bullying is an issue against the nurses who deny it is an issue and participate in it.

How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that any of the nurses on this thread not only deny bullying is an issue but "participate" in bullying, other than the fact that not everyone has agreed with your viewpoint? Does that constitute "bullying"?

Ruby Vee, BSN

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

Farawyn said:
Ummm, I stole your line, Your Majesty. Scroll up.

But it's My line!

I find it quite telling and interesting that to hold a differing opinion or strong disagreement is to be accused of "bullying" or "ignorance" from certain people. Sign of the times? If so, we are indeed in trouble. I, for one, can agree to disagree without getting so up in arms or losing my composure.

Well said! As a seasoned nurse(22 years) I left an area of nursing that I LOVED because a leadership position was given to a nurse with 3 years experience while she slept her way up the corporate ladder! married doctors, residents, etc. very disturbing. I had to leave! But I left with my dignity!

Ruby Vee said:
But it's My line!

Don't bully me. :locktopic:

elkpark said:
How on earth did you arrive at the conclusion that any of the nurses on this thread not only deny bullying is an issue but "participate" in bullying, other than the fact that not everyone has agreed with your viewpoint? Does that constitute "bullying"?

Kind of proved my point for me. I love it when that happens.

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