Why is BSN required for CRNA?

I'm working on my RN and plan to go to CRNA school. I've noticed that a few CRNA schools will allow you to have a bachelors in other science areas, as long as you are an RN. But the best school seem to require a BSN. Why is that? Why is an easy, relatively useless, easy to obtain degree required over something like a bachelors in chemistry?

[LouDogg, BSN, RN]

1 hour ago, ArmyRntoMD said:

You really can’t tell the difference on the floor between ADN and BSN to be honest.. it’s mostly social crap. Trying to groom people to be managers and a bunch of sociology bull.

Speak for yourself... I think the programs make a difference. Furthermore, as an educator, I can say that the student gets out what they put into their own education. Two people can take the same course and comprehend/be able to apply completely different amounts of the material.

And guess what a DNP degree is... (and I speak from experience, wuffy) ...a ton of managerial crap, leadership, sociology, more epidemiology, more research, patient quality, health safety, etc.... and you do a crap load of skills labs and rotations.

Again, this is where I feel the BSN prepares you for a CRNA program better than a chemistry degree or any other random bachelor degree. (if you didn’t just get your BSN from the beginning)

And that’s why I believe many places require a BSN, rather than a chem degree, for a DNP-Anesthesia program.

(Remember the original thread)

[ArmyRntoMD, BSN, RN]

Eh I’m saying it just doesn’t matter when it comes to direct care nursing. With the ability to assess and treat patients in critical care settings I see no correlation between a BSN and better medical understanding of patient care. Now yeah if you want to teach nursing school or manage, definitely it teaches you that. But as far as nursing itself, nah. That wasn’t even hardly any of the BSN material devoted to actual nursing which is pretty standard across the board. They just assume we want to teach manage etc.

[LouDogg, BSN, RN]

Again with tangents... nobody is talking about what’s best for bedside nursing.

[ArmyRntoMD, BSN, RN]

A better foundation would lead to a better CRNA. Why teach a CRNA how to be a teacher or manager? That should all be part of an MSN-DNP devoted to that area

I agree that a chem major would contain much info that would be of little use to a CRNA. But how would more lower level science understanding such as organic and biochem not help understand how medications work?

[LouDogg, BSN, RN]

24 minutes ago, ArmyRntoMD said:

A better foundation would lead to a better CRNA. Why teach a CRNA how to be a teacher or manager? That should all be part of an MSN-DNP devoted to that area

Well most programs I see have BSN - DNP-Anesthesia, and that's why the program is full of that stuff I mentioned. As a DNP-Anesthesia student, you are selected because you want to pursue a leadership position, so it goes with the territory.

It's akin to me going from 0 - BSN. I did everything in one BSN program after my prereq's were done. I didn't get an ADN, so all that was part of it. And now I'm getting it again in this BSN - DNP.

[ArmyRntoMD, BSN, RN]

Well just to fill you in on the typical layout, ADN is pretty much purely job skill related. About half of our grades were earned by performance in the hospital. The second week of school we were doing bed baths and vital signs, and the second semester we were giving all non IV medications. You learn medication interactions, presentations of diseases etc.

RN to BSN is pretty much purely the “professional polish” I guess is what they’d call it.

My school was much heavier on hands on than any BSN in the area, they were heavier on the academic side. My girlfriend at the time who did BSN didn’t have any patient contact until the last year of school, and was asking me how to do a head to toe assessment etc. They weren’t even allowed to flush IVs until the very end of school, and I dont think she got any foley or NG insertion practice. I had over 50 IV starts, a foley insertion and a few NG insertions before I obtained my ADN. So that’s the difference.

[LouDogg, BSN, RN]

Interesting to see how different programs can be. I'll tell you though. Cal State was heavy on everything. I didn't get an easy ride for any of it. Heavy on skills and even heavier on books. We had clinicals 3/5 semesters in a large, metro, magnet, teaching hospital. I don't know how you can get all of your clinical hours in one semester though? that doesn't sound right.

You need rotations in Psych, MedS/Tele, Community Health, OB, ICU, and then a chosen specialty. That's 6 rotations. How did she do that in one semester? If that's correct, that doesn't sound conducive to a good education at all--don't go thinking they are all like that. Are you from a small town or something?

[ArmyRntoMD, BSN, RN]

It wasn’t in one semester, it was in 3 semesters, spring summer and fall.
my bad I misspoke.

She did a rotation in community health. They wasted her time having her drive around a town like 2 hours away (they didn’t take into account some students lived an hour from school and the site was an hour from them). Thankfully I did not do community health until BSN which was totally online. We did psych, medsurg, ER, OR and OB.

[LouDogg, BSN, RN]

Ahh, my bad. You said she didn't have patient contact until her final semester. That was confusing

[ArmyRntoMD, BSN, RN]

2 minutes ago, LouDogg said:

3 minutes ago, LouDogg said:

Ahh, my bad. You said she didn't have patient contact until her final semester. That was confusing

We are from a village of about 1000 people, but the schools are in the state capital city.

[Wuzzie]

“And guess what a DNP degree is... (and I speak from experience, wuffy) ...aton of managerial crap, leadership, sociology, more epidemiology, moreresearch, patient quality, health safety, etc.... and you do a crap load of skillslabs and rotations. “

@LouDogg When did I say anything disputing your knowledge about DNP education? My issue was with your opinion of the ADN degree. Also, do you really need to be insulting? Calling me “wuffy”? Seriously? You lose a lot of credibility when you act like a playground bully.

[LouDogg, BSN, RN]

That was a typo. sorry, Wuzzie. I didn't go back to look at the spelling. I haven't slept in 48 hours, and that was out of memory. The other person I had called, "the other person", cause I couldn't remember without looking, and I can't see on my phone thread while I'm replying.... Don't take it personal, that's an a-typical name, Is that real? And if it is, I'm sorry again...Did not mean to mess up your name ✌️ my bad.