What do nursing unions do?

teeituptom, BSN, RN · Apr 15, 2005

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This is of course versus the hedgemonic elitism of the authoritative corporate dictator.
Personally, I would rather be a member of a worthy, strong union than a slave wage laborer which most likely will happen in the unequal balance of power between corporate and employees, (i.e. slave/wage laborers).
Thanks,
Gen
Whether Union or Non union we are all held to wages, unless you win the lotto and can work for free.
There is nothing slavish about what I get paid, in the least.

Gennaver, MSN · Apr 15, 2005

M grandfather was one of the founding members of either the AFL or the CIO (cant remember which one--the one that allowed blacks, the other did not).
My grandfather also was a card carrying member of the American Communist Party--many of the original union founders were.
I am not saying that all members of unions today are communists, but people do need to know that the idea of workers uniting against the "evil" capitalists managers does have a history in this theology.

Hi,

If I am not mistaken though, the communism that most people think of isn't the 'true' communism but rather the Russian style, (which was also adulterated for an uneven balance of power.)

If we had democracy and fairness things would or could be different but, alas, we only think we have such fairness, understanding the nature of capitalism and profit really clear the air. Its sole function, (capitalism) is merely for profit, and even health care and non-profit are based on this idea. Although the profit isn't necessarily proceeds but, the right to continue running, functioning and so on. Greatly so they do provide an altruistic service but, could not provide that same service if the couldn't meet their internal profit of affording to go on.

Hmm, still, I want some power in the relationship and that will not happen without a union. I do not want to abuse my power in the relationship but, believe that checks and balances are to everyone's advantage.

Gen

p.s. not a corporate girl and nor a name-caller of 'evil' for capitalists, they are not evil, generally they are completely emotionless, the nature of capitalism is calculating, no good, no bad, no anything-merely profit- all the good or bad is brought in by humanity.

teeituptom, BSN, RN · Apr 15, 2005

Hi,
Hmm, still, I want some power in the relationship and that will not happen without a union. I do not want to abuse my power in the relationship but, believe that checks and balances are to everyone's advantage.
Gen
p.s. not a corporate girl and nor a name-caller of 'evil' for capitalists, they are not evil, generally they are completely emotionless, the nature of capitalism is calculating, no good, no bad, no anything-merely profit- all the good or bad is brought in by humanity.

If you desire power then Empower yourself, dont wait and let unions do it for you. You are best served by serving yourself a healthy dose of power. I have empowered myself and I do quite well for myself.

Gennaver, MSN · Apr 15, 2005

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This is of course versus the hedgemonic elitism of the authoritative corporate dictator.
Personally, I would rather be a member of a worthy, strong union than a slave wage laborer which most likely will happen in the unequal balance of power between corporate and employees, (i.e. slave/wage laborers).
Thanks,
Gen
Whether Union or Non union we are all held to wages, unless you win the lotto and can work for free.
There is nothing slavish about what I get paid, in the least.
Hello Teeituptom,
Wage slave is what would happen if companies had their way, it is a bussiness strategy taught at the best MBA schools. :) See, the take away a benefit here, and there, and imply that you must do that or this or else....so, we are slaves to NEEDING our jobs our companies and when they pay us so little that we cannot take time off for being sick, or for anything personal for fear of loosing the job..this is the slave-to-wages/job.
I have been a wage slave for sure! Heaven forbid I got sick and needed to take a week off of work!! I'd not only probably loose the job, (slave to coming in for fear) but, I didn't make enough to be able to afford my meager bills if I didn't go in, (sick pay???)
Gen
p.s. thanks for considering the true term and its implicaitons now

Gennaver, MSN · Apr 15, 2005

If you desire power then Empower yourself, dont wait and let unions do it for you. You are best served by serving yourself a healthy dose of power. I have empowered myself and I do quite well for myself.

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Nice thought teeituptom but, not applicable in this issue of labor.

However, that being said, nice for you thatyou are able to manage with your current employer and are satisfied. This is indeed a special rarity. It would be very nice if we all could indeed do so well in our perspective areas.

My former company was very, very big in the area. A true bureaucracy, which tend NOT to deal with any individual at all. Now, if you could get lucky enough to find a manager who is rare, (and I did meet one) they themselves have to report to the Bureaucracy that they are a part of. Besides, what good is 'empowering' oneself in light of the thousands that this corporation is? The empowered individual is indeed still a dispensable individual to them.

So, merely empowering myself....won't cut it, empowering myself while letting others slip down the slope of...unfair work, salary, conditions or ufair treatment is not going to cut it at all.

Thank you for your time,

Gen

p.s. this is indeed also a global issue, empowering ourselves and letting others fend for what little they get isn't fair either, imho

teeituptom, BSN, RN · Apr 15, 2005

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Nice thought teeituptom but, not applicable in this issue of lab
The empowered individual is indeed still a dispensable individual to them.
So, merely empowering myself....won't cut it, empowering myself while letting others slip down the slope of...unfair work, salary, conditions or ufair treatment is not going to cut it at all.
Thank you for your time,
Gen
p.s. this is indeed also a global issue, empowering ourselves and letting others fend for what little they get isn't fair either, imho

Everyone should empower themselves, it is their resposibility to do so. It is not the responsibility of the group to do it for them. So yes it is very applicable. Whether it is in work, golf, relatioships, golf, life in general. Everyone is responsible for themselves.

Yes we are all dispendable, That is the great truth in life. Doesnt matter if you are a worker, or a director, or a CEO. or even President. We are all dispendible.

Every one can empower themselves, Everyone should empower themselves. Otherwise they have no one to blame except themselves. Everyone should vote, but only a small percentage actually do. That is the fault of the indivuidual not the group.

fergus51 · Apr 15, 2005

Why do people think a union is some outside group. I didn't get a union to fight for me. I fight for myself through a union. Anyone who thinks they can achieve the same kind of successes CNA has on their own is dellusional.

teeituptom, BSN, RN · Apr 15, 2005

Hello Teeituptom,
Wage slave is what would happen if companies had their way, it is a bussiness strategy taught at the best MBA schools. :) See, the take away a benefit here, and there, and imply that you must do that or this or else....so, we are slaves to NEEDING our jobs our companies and when they pay us so little that we cannot take time off for being sick, or for anything personal for fear of loosing the job..this is the slave-to-wages/job.
I have been a wage slave for sure! Heaven forbid I got sick and needed to take a week off of work!! I'd not only probably loose the job, (slave to coming in for fear) but, I didn't make enough to be able to afford my meager bills if I didn't go in, (sick pay???)
Gen
p.s. thanks for considering the true term and its implicaitons now
Now you have mentioned the word fear twice above. Is it truly an actual fear or is it a self imposed fear. But why fear at all. A wise man once said " You have nothing to fear,but, fear itself"........
Do fear and wage slave go hand in hand, yes they do. Does paranoia of this happen in all Industries, yes. So the first step in empowering ones self is to rise above fear, and realize that is truly a self imposed fear. Does that fear compare with someone who is holding a knife to your throat, no. It a self imposed fear not an actual or justifiable fear. So empower yourselves and rise above it, recognize it for what it truly is.
Now thats the true term and its implications

teeituptom, BSN, RN · Apr 15, 2005

Why do people think a union is some outside group. I didn't get a union to fight for me. I fight for myself through a union. Anyone who thinks they can achieve the same kind of successes CNA has on their own is dellusional.

I have been very successfull in my career and continue to do so. Nothing delusional in the least

fergus51 · Apr 15, 2005

I have been very successfull in my career and continue to do so. Nothing delusional in the least

I wasn't saying individuals can't do well on their own. But, you haven't been able to affect statewide change. I don't think you've been able to institute mandatory RN ratios in Texas by yourself that apply to all nurses in the state. Or did I miss that on the news?

teeituptom, BSN, RN · Apr 15, 2005

I wasn't saying individuals can't do well on their own. But, you haven't been able to affect statewide change. I don't think you've been able to institute mandatory RN ratios in Texas by yourself that apply to all nurses in the state. Or did I miss that on the news?

You didnt miss a thing, but then I havent applied myself to that area either. I have found ratios and teamwork to be quite fair in Texas, but then we dont have Arnie as governor. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

studious · Apr 15, 2005

[Please people, stand up for yourself . . .be a professional and an adult]