Published Dec 4, 2014
NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN
10 Articles; 18,926 Posts
What it's like to wake up during surgery
New research on this anesthetic awareness called "accidental awareness during general anesthesia" has found that there are deep psychological repercussions that result from this traumatic experience. A study published in Anaesthesia found that out of a patient population pool of over 3 million patients who received general anesthesia in the United Kingdom and Ireland, one in every 19,600 of them woke up during surgery. Numbers calculated in different studies in the United States found a greater frequency of one in 1,000 patients. In the new study, the patients self-reported which could askew the numbers. Anesthetic awareness tended to happen more often in surgeries where the patient received paralytics with the anesthesia. Because they could not move, there was no way to communicate with the doctor. The study also found that the patient in general woke up either before or after the actual procedure and not mid-incision.According to CNN, "patients described a range of sensations, including choking, paralysis, pain, hallucinations, and near-death experiences. Most episodes were short-lived, with 75% of them lasting under five minutes." Almost half of all patients who experienced anesthetic awareness suffered from psychological effects like PTSD and depression. The study found that even the short-lived episodes could adversely impact the patient.
Anesthetic awareness tended to happen more often in surgeries where the patient received paralytics with the anesthesia. Because they could not move, there was no way to communicate with the doctor.
The study also found that the patient in general woke up either before or after the actual procedure and not mid-incision.
According to CNN, "patients described a range of sensations, including choking, paralysis, pain, hallucinations, and near-death experiences. Most episodes were short-lived, with 75% of them lasting under five minutes."
Almost half of all patients who experienced anesthetic awareness suffered from psychological effects like PTSD and depression. The study found that even the short-lived episodes could adversely impact the patient.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/health/Stuff_of_nightmares_Waking_up_during_surgery.html#P3eKwj81MTpWPgAV.99
wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA
5,127 Posts
What it's like to wake up during surgery Read more at Stuff of nightmares: Waking up during surgery
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The second article also explains some of the different levels of awareness under general anesthesia. Explicit awareness is what the news article is referring to.
The brain monitors/BIS has not shown to decrease awareness. I think the biggest reason for this is that these systems only monitor frontal lobe activity when the part of the brain that controls awakening is actually in reticular activating system located in the brainstem. Reticular activating system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
TeacupPom
18 Posts
I've always had a tolerance to anesthesia. I woke up once...sat straight up however, it wasn't noticed right away. Here's what I experienced. The thing I remember the most is seeing those bright OR lights and seeing people in crinkly, blue, paper outfits. Now, I get these flashbacks whenever I am hooked up to the anesthesia; or see anyone in that classic "surgery blue."
As CRNA I hear these stories a lot, but I can tell from your story that 1. You probably were not under general anesthesia, which is one of the things that the article is talking about and is requirement for awareness under anesthesia, and 2. You did not have a muscle paralytic on board or you wouldn't have been able to sit up, which is the other problem with these anesthesia awareness situations.
People often remember coming into the OR and waking up in the OR after the surgery is complete, and assume that this vague recall was awareness. That is not a form of surgical awareness.
To have surgical awareness you have to:
1. Be having general anesthesia, which typically means you will need an LMA or ETT.
2. You have to be aware of the surgery or aware while the surgery is going on.
3. You almost always have to have had a muscle paralytic, because who the world would sit still while someone is cutting on them.
Everything that we give patients in anesthesia alters their perceptions. Some patients have vivid dreams while asleep, some patients don't remember anything for the rest of the day or longer, but anesthetic experience varies widely for every patient.
sallyrnrrt, ADN, RN
2,398 Posts
i have significant tollerance, and have awaken twice.....
both times due to malfunctioned, iv.....
first time, attempted setting up, saw mayo, bloody sponges, and some one said, "no sally we can do it" 1978.
in 2011, during total shoulder at begining of procedure, i tried getting up again as surgeon went to cut, had safety belt abraisons across chest, and multiple full hand bruises on legs..... i knew the particular anes., and knew he likes to induce with dilaudid, i tried explaining my tollerance, he chose to ignore........i will refuse him as a provider in future, and request CRNA
i have significant tollerance, and have awaken twice.....both times due to malfunctioned, iv.....first time, attempted setting up, saw mayo, bloody sponges, and some one said, "no sally we can do it" 1978.in 2011, during total shoulder at begining of procedure, i tried getting up again as surgeon went to cut, had safety belt abraisons across chest, and multiple full hand bruises on legs..... i knew the particular anes., and knew he likes to induce with dilaudid, i tried explaining my tollerance, he chose to ignore........i will refuse him as a provider in future, and request CRNA
A lot of has changed since 1978.
I don't know of any anesthesia provider that would induce with a narcotic for shoulder arthroscopy.
I would recommend bringing your entire anesthesia records next time you go for surgery for anyone that has had trouble with their anesthetic in the past.
jwk
1,102 Posts
??? Induced with dilaudid? Hmm, I don't think so.
As already noted by two of us, nobody induces anesthesia with Dilaudid. There's more to your story.
Patients don't have a "tolerance" to anesthesia. Some certainly require more (or less) agent or drugs than others, but one doesn't develop a "tolerance" to anesthesia in the way one might do so with narcotics or benzodiazepines or other drugs. WTB is right - a lot has changed since 1978. I have patients tell me all the time they're "hard to put to sleep". It doesn't matter - I always have enough of whatever I need to keep every patient adequately anesthetized. I joke with patients all the time that "I never lose".
Is it possible you woke up in the middle of your procedure? Yes, but it's highly unlikely. Your description from 1978 sounds like it could just as easily have occurred at the completion of the procedure. When patients awaken, they are often disoriented for a few minutes. I always talk to my patients as they awaken and tell them "you're waking up - we're all done with your surgery".
I don't know what to make of your second experience - the "induce with dilaudid" comment IMHO indicates you don't really know what happened or why.
Dielsh
13 Posts
I am a practicing CRNA. I have awareness under anesthesia for one of my surgeries. Nothing was done wrong. I probably had undiagnosed hypertension. When the gas was turned down for my subsequent low BP after induction is when I has the awareness. I was given a lot of narcotics so I had no pain, just pressure with the surgery. I was paralyzed and knew it would take about 40 minutes for the paralytic to wear off. I eventually stared to tap my fingers( I was prone). I had nightmares for about 6 months. Other than the nightmares, nothing lasting. My best friend had done my anesthesia and she was more upset than I was. I have had surgeries after without incident
It would be interesting to know what the end tidal on the volatile agent was when this happened.
wtbcrna, the shoulder replacement surgery was 2011, it was a MD Anes.........
'78 was brest implant exchange, sorta crude anes :)
this guy regularly induces with 2-4mg dilaudid....honest.......i am a critical care nurse, seen him requestcmany times........that is why i made a big deal re opiate induction not ideal.........i have unfortunately had a lot of ortho surg, only problem with this guy.....most in my area use "magic milk" :)