Warning to New Grads

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I just quit today after two weeks. I thought I was lucky enough to land a job at a SNF/subacute place nearby. After the first week, I was in for a rude awakening.

I had only 5 days of orientation in a 98 bed facility and was labeled charge nurse. Half the place is LTC, the other half subacute. 1st and 2nd shift have 3 nurses--usually 1RN and 3 LVN; 3rd shift usually has 2LVNs. Once I was on my own, passing meds to about 35 pts (in the LTC side) pretty much took me my entire shift. It was overwhelming and frustrating. On top of that, since I was an RN, I was responsible to hang IVs for all IV pts, no matter what side. I barely had time to document, and little to no time to assess the pts. As a friend had said, it felt like an assembly line--and that's how I felt I was treating the pts. There was no time to chat, no time to care, no time to critically think. Many of the staff members actually work on their OWN time (i.e. Not getting paid!) to chart, since many of them are afraid to get too much overtime since Administration will question them about it and may affect their performance review.

Many of my co workers were trying to convince me to stay, saying that it'll get better, that everything will become routine. But why is it that they are still taking more than their shift to do their work? It's simple: it's understaffed.

I brought all my issues up to the DON. All she said to me was, "I told you it's a lot of work and that it's a lot of patients. It wasn't going to be easy." Of course I didn't expect the work to be "easy", but I explained to her that there was no amount of training that could help me provide quality patient care if there is no time given to do that. She said she would like to hire more nurses, but Administration apparently doesn't want to hire anymore for any one shift. She just didn't seem to care too much.

I just had to vent and bring this up to all you new grads. I know I'm not the only that experienced this since I spoke and heard about a few people that experienced the same thing. I just want to give you some advice if you're looking into LTC or SNF. Some things I wish I had done before hand:

1) Research the facility.

Go to http://www.medicare.gov/Nursing/Overview.asp and do a nursing home comparison.

2) Tour the facility.

You may not see everything that goes on behind the scenes with this, but at least it's a good overview of the place. It's better than making any judgements based on how nice the building looks upfront or the nice painting and furniture in the reception area.

3) Ask the DON a lot of questions.

How many beds? As a new grad RN what are the job responsibilities? The job description? Expectations? Number of patients in your care? What is used for documentation/charting?

4)If you do commit, remember to buy some (I guess that goes for any place you work at, but especially at a high liability job)

I hope this will be of some help to someone out there considering a job in a nursing home. I understand that many of us are still looking for a hospital job, but the pickings are few and far between. I haven't given up hope in finding that job, or even finding a job at another, better LTC facility in the mean time, but these are just some things to consider... Hopefully it'll save you from being burnt out or at least some tears.

i just want to share this line

"don't let anyone make you feel that you don't deserve what you want" .

stay strong guys!*

Well said Valerie

I entirely agree with you. I work in LTC and I have anywhere from 73 to 84 residents under my care. It is impossible to give the kind of care I was trained to give . However I work in Psych. so it probably comes out to close to the same load that you are talking about. However not only does a nuse have to assess for physical s/s but also keep track and catch any psych s/s to prevent escalation. 8 hours have never been enough but lately it's getting worse because with the government not wanting to pay for specialized treatment for the mentally ill in LTC unless they are pretty bad. So not only do we have more severely mentally ill we are also taking anyone who qualifies and more and more have physical illnesses that complicate everything. Psych pt do not view physical illness the same as non psych. Some are total hypochondriacs and others refuse to acknowledge the illness or it's proper treatment.

My reason for going on so is to let you know that if your thinking about going into psych ask questions. Many of our new hires are totally overwhelmed. Hang in there you'll find a place you can feel comfortable in. We all have to kiss a few frogs or something like that.

greetings,

i'm a 46 y/o male nursing student. Will graduate in spring of 2011 from a community college in new york.

I've read through all the posts with great dismay. This is going to be my second career. My first career of 25 years will be laying me off at the end of the month. I thought nursing was a good choice but after reading all of the posts i'm not so sure. I'm also not sure what be job prospects will be upon completion.

The first thing that comes to mind is that all ive heard have been horror stories except for one don who sounds like she does the right thing for her staff and patients. Where are the other good stories? Is the system that broken? Why isn't the working popualtion in these facilities shouting out at the top of their lungs? What are the whistleblower protections, if any? Where are the unions in all of this? Aren't unions supposed to protect the worker from these very issues that are being described? When jcaho comes through are they blind to the understaffing? Are they acting just like the fed not seeing madoff right under their noses? Why do you jepordize your license? Why do you jepordize the patient by not doing required v/s before passing meds. Work off the clock to finish your work *boggle* don't call me naive but that is wrong in so many ways. You are enabling the institution to get away with it.

If you are being abused and don't stand up to it you are allowing the abuser to do it to someone else.

Thats wrong!

Who is standing up for your rights as workers? Where is the nursing loby in washigton? Who's calling jcaho to tell them about the deplorable conditions? Does anyone from jcaho subscribe to this website?

Im spartacvs ! ! !

sweetie to make matters worst ...don't believe the hype. New grads are not getting jobs out of school and most hospitals are cutting staff, and freezing hiring. Its sad because you may come out of school and it may well be a year before you obtain employment. I understand it cost 3000 dollars to train 1 grad and with all the cuts the hospitals are not willing to pay. Another thing is that with this new bill on healthcare for all...most hospitals are waiting it out....they want to see what will happen so if passes, they will cut nurses salary to save money. So if hospitals hire you now they have to pay you at what a nurse makes now and continue paying such, if they wait on the bill and it passes they start you at a cut in salary and it works for them. It is terrible but the media keep projecting this nonsense of shortage......for whom....do some research it will sadden you....the field is growing.....in 2016 the field will increase by 23%...and keeps growing the field is saturated and there is much politics involved.

In the past 30 or so years that I've been a nurse, there have been several feast & famine cycles. they come & go, even without all the political stuff going on now in the background. It's nearly always been difficult for new grads to get desirable joubs right out of school. Where I am, it's not 3000 to train, it's over $20,000. Not exactly a motivator for cash strapped hospitals to hire new grads. Don't dispair. It'll come back around.

Nursing used to be a mostly female profession. Not any more. There are many more men going into nursing. Females left the work force frequently for a multiple of reasons: ie. child birth, child care, care of elderly family members, or husband oposition. This left a constant shortage. Now that more nurses are male and do not leave for family situations, the openings for all nurses have lessened. Women don't leave the profession as they used to do. The economy has made it necessary for both husband and wife to work. Unfortunatly it is the children in this country who suffer for the lack of a parent at home. In my opinion "latch key" kids are lonely and frequently get into trouble for the want of positive direction from a parent. This is true of all professions, not just nursing. I thought that the lack of an across the board retirement plan, poor wages and bad working conditions (such as under staffing), would get better with the increase of men in the profession, but it hasn't happened. Many times men are given preferential positions and a bigger wage, just because they are men. Same as in many other professions. I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.

i have the same exact story. I am taking care of 30 pts in a snf, and all i do is pass meds non stop, no time for breaks because if you do, u'll be behind, no matter how good u r at time management. corporations dont wanna pay overtime, and if u clock out late, then ur in trouble. the DON doesnt care about you (interesting, being that she is a nurse herself), and will pin all the responsibilities to you- added work but no way of supporting you so u can do ur job right and timely, which means that there are more risk for error.

as a new grad and being turned down by hospitals i've applied to, i have a mixture of feelings of inadequacy, incompetency, and frustration. i know i want to do the best job that i can, but i just feel so lost and not really ready- like you said- being hit hard by all these responsibilities, and worst of all, in a snf, ur own ur own, so how do u ask somebody to verify a nsg judgment? i want to give up and quit on myself because i dont know if i can do this and i am so afraid of losing my license.

any advice? what shoudl i do?

Specializes in Med-Surg.

I have been a Registered Nurse for 20 years and all I can say is "Welcome to the Wonderful World of Nursing"

It is sad and frustrating! Wish you the best!

I wonder how many men would put up with these conditions??

i have the same exact story. I am taking care of 30 pts in a snf, and all i do is pass meds non stop, no time for breaks because if you do, u'll be behind, no matter how good u r at time management. corporations dont wanna pay overtime, and if u clock out late, then ur in trouble. the DON doesnt care about you (interesting, being that she is a nurse herself), and will pin all the responsibilities to you- added work but no way of supporting you so u can do ur job right and timely, which means that there are more risk for error.

as a new grad and being turned down by hospitals i've applied to, i have a mixture of feelings of inadequacy, incompetency, and frustration. i know i want to do the best job that i can, but i just feel so lost and not really ready- like you said- being hit hard by all these responsibilities, and worst of all, in a snf, ur own ur own, so how do u ask somebody to verify a nsg judgment? i want to give up and quit on myself because i dont know if i can do this and i am so afraid of losing my license.

any advice? what shoudl i do?

Hang in there. You won't be a new grad forever. The longer you stay in nursing the more tricks and tips you learn. I just recently had a pt. with bulous phemphigoid. I was the only nurse on my wing, who had ever seen it before. That's because I had seen it several times, years ago, when it was more previlent. Experience HELPS us survive. Remember when you were in school and it seemed like you would never get throught it? I'm assuming you felt that way, because almost all of us did. Look around. There are usually some of old nurses around, who love sharing their knowledge and helping new grads. I know there are some, who ARE willing to "eat their young",-- ignore them! --They have their own issues! It gives me a sense of gradification and worth to help new grads. Find someonelike me (even if you have to go to another unit) to get advice from, and then go with YOUR gut. My gut feelings have helped a lot of patients, when there were no abnormal vs or labs, but my gut told me something was wrong. This is the best quality a good nurse can have. Always pay attention to what your patient's SAY to you. Sometimes they actually know what they are talking about,-- but don't take it as gospel. I had an experience where a NP called me, (knowing I was an old nurse) and asked me if I knew how to put in a Pessary. I said Of Course. She asked me to go to the Medicare floor and replace one on a pt. because none of the other nurses knew what it was or how to insert it. I't an OLD device, -similar to a diaphragm that is used for birth control,- only a pessary is used to support a prolapsed bladder or uterus. When I got to the unit there was a discussion of whether this was something an Lpn could do or not. OH - PLEASE! (MEOW) I have put in hundreds (25-35yrs ago). The physician happened to be there and he said, "I'll go with you and chart, that I put it in, so there won't be an issue about it. When we got to the room, he admitted that he too, didn't know how to insert one, and asked me to teach him what I was doing. The other nurses weren't stupid, just young. This device is seldom used anymore. You probably know many NEW things, that I don't know. That's why we all need to work as a team. I have met a lot of adrenaline junky nurses, many of which are men, who work in ER, OR,or as EMT's who think because they are good at one thing, the know it all. NOT! DON'T LET ANYONE MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE NOT WORTHY!!! Just hang in there and one day you will be the one with the experience, and later in life, remember to help new grads and students. School only provides the TOOLS you need to LEARN your job. Most nurses lose their license R/T failure: to assess, to monitor, to document, to follow MD orders, or to notify the provider of changes. (Or substance abuse). Just "champion" for your Pts., and you will not go wrong. Any place that is upset with you working overtime, to provide quality care is cutting thier noses of to spite their faces. We all have days where overtime is unavoidable. Codes, deaths, falls,or changes in condition. It does get easier. And remember, there isn't a state in this country where you are required to work for free! If you don't get a lunch don't say you did. If you are required to come in for a mandatory meeting- They MUST pay you for it. Never punch out and work off the clock. When Florence Nightingale was a nurse, she was required to scrub floors and do laundry & nursing was considered to be a lowly profession. Things changed for a while and when I first became a nurse the patient's were respectful, polite, and glad to see you. Some how the pendulum has swung the other way. Now a lot of patients are verbally and physically abusive to nurses. They think we have time to solve all of their life issues. Can I say- where is Social Serivices? Many family members who are ridden with guilt, take it out on nurses. They may only come and see their family member once a month, but when they do come in, they complain about everything. A lot of the times it is things like the laundry or the food, or things that the nurses have no control over. ( I am talking about LTC). I have given you my honest opinion of nursing as I see it today. I can only say that I take my gradification (as a nurse) from the patient's who tell me how much they appriciate my attention to them. We almost never hear praise from our supervisors. They are too busy covering their as--s, to worry about complimenting or thanking us for doing a good job. I must say that my ADON, does let me know that she appreciates me. My DON - whenever I see her coming down the hall, I know it's not a good thing. (I work 11p-7am). To sum up what I am trying to say is that - Nursing has been good to me for 35yrs now. I have made a wage (although not great) sufficent enough to support myself. It does seem to get harder and harder all the time. Stick with it, unless you have a talent for some other profession. Best of Luck! Laurie ( PS- Find that mentor!)

Specializes in Oncology.

I could have written the original post. I worked my last day today in a LTC facility for pediatrics. I was a new nurse with 15-18 patients with g-tubes, trachs, unstable diabetes insipidus, unstable diabetes, open wounds, hundreds of meds and the paperwork..... OMG the paperwork. I started in August and managed to make it through today. My morning prayer was...... Dear God, please don't let me kill anyone or lose my license today. He answered my prayers and I left today without doing either. I too had 5 days of orientation where I learned all kind of tricks to get the job done in the allotted time. I chose not to use those tricks and I have to say that I was never called in for starting early or staying late. There was never any complaint of me being too slow... but I just could NOT go home with confidence that I had competently taken care of my kids. So, I applied for a GN position at a hospital. I was offered a job and accepted. I will be starting that job at the end of this month.

I did walk away from this experience with some knowledge. I NEVER want to work in LTC again, time management is no longer a concern, God answers desperate prayers at 3:30am..... and there isn't a g-tube around that I can't unplug. All of that knowledge in two and a half months..... and I got paid to learn it!!! Gotta love it!!!!!

Only people who have never dealt with medicare think medicare is wonderful. I once worked in a facility that wouldn't take it...it was amazing. The only paperwork was appropriate & there weren't licensed staff out of care doing nothing but dealing with the regs & the other paperwork...thus...you only had about 8 patients

To clarify...I did mean medicare. Not Medicaid or Medi-cal.

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