Using Student Visa during Retrogression

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With what I heard yesterday, I think the democrats will do what they do best which is make promises to poor American communities and later do nothing about it. Come the end of the year, we will still be talking of the same retrogression story. Every party is being cautious of not side stepping or over stepping against NEXT YEAR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

MY QUESTION TO SUSAN AND LAWRENCE is HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO APPROVE 50,000 VISAS TO SOLVE THE LAST RETROGRESSION IN 2005?

Hospitals are teaming up with Universities and Colleges to find other solutions to the RETROGRESSION PROBLEM. And the consuls in various American Embassies and consulates worldwide are supporting it, by granting students visas to many nurses to study here in the US. Example is the Christian University issue with Korean Nurses.

While you all wait, lots of nurses overseas are going into US and England with students F-1 Visas from Universities and Colleges ($3500 tuition and fees for 19 weeks) which allows them to work 20hrs a week, while they are waiting for the Green card retrogression, the F-1 is renewed as needed. (http://www.foreignnurseseducation.com/files/admission/admission.php). You either wait in your country or in US legally, its your choice. Even if you did not get the student visa, you still can apply for the green card when it finally come out. I have 8 of my friends who have gone for the student visa and 7 of them got the visa. I am currently waiting for my CES from CGFNS to go for my student visa. Students get stipend while they study for their NCLEX. Affiliated hospitals pay this stipend. http://www.foreignnurseseducation.com. I am not trying to change anybodies mind here but if the option is there, I think we should all know about it.

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Certanly, I strongly agree with SUZZANE4 arguments. A good reason is; if foreigner nurses start playing the desperate game, so hospitals will be aware and salary rates for foreigners will fall short . I know this is not allow by law, but; let's say you come to work under a CPT and with that low salary. Eventually , when retro ends. Are they going to be willing to give you a rise? or all benefits if you already agreed with other terms . I do not, but as Mexican Nurse I am going to say something that ; perhaps, it won't sound good.

Many people see us ( Mexicans) only as cheap labor, sometimes; eventhought, we hold a degree and years of experience. It is difficult to overcome that stigma because, we internationals, are trained to do the job, but we are not trained to look for the job and even to sell our selves.Thus, please take your time and do not underestimate your self and your degree:nurse: .

Please, do not play the game of those who are looking for their own benefit. SUZZANE4 is right and I have good reasons to say that. Companies are desperates, internationals Nurses should not be. Otherwise, things would be harder.( I've been, but thanks to SUZZANE4 explanation of the arena I am not ) :nurse:

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By the way, Philladelphia has three times higher criminals records than the average in US cities.:uhoh21:

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I still stand by what I have said. I have travelled all over the world, and in mnay third world countries; and am quite aware of what goes on in the other countries. But the best way to get things done and not get taken advantage of are to do things the correct way and by not trying to take shortcuts. With these programs, you are being taken advantage of plain and simple. And that stipend gets taxed, it is not tax free, so take off that amount from the sum of it and you will find it hard to live on in the US. In your country it sounds like quite a bit, but when you have to pay the higher expenses of food, etc, you will have issues. I have been the moderator here for several years and have heard from many from all over that have tried these programs and wish that they never did.

If you wish to send me your e-mail address to my pm box, I will be more that happy to put you in touch with a friend that has close ties to your country and with some nurses from there that I have helped and now have all of their papers and are here in the US working. They can explain to you my reasoning where you will understand it better.

Hope that this will help you.:nurse: And that is the reason that I really stand by what I have written. I have seen too many foreign nurses get taken advantage of, and it has not been pretty. It is your final choice as to what to do, but I am going to add my opinion here when you give your viewpoint. I know better and have been an RN in the US for too many years to count. Do not sell yourself short.

You are under the CPT, not a work permit. You will receive the EAD, which is an employment authorization document. You will also not qualify for the OPT, since you will not have been getting your degree from the US.

Please take the time to so some more research as to what will be required of you. And the nursing shortage is not as critical as some would make it seem. There are some areas that will not petition for an RN for a hospital anyhwhere in the state of NY, there are areas in CA that have more than enough nurses. And there are areas where no Americans wish to work, but then your safety should be a concern in those areas.

Things are not always as they seem, and please read the thread about the program for the Korean nurses in Pennsylvania, bad program and they are not being treated as professional nurses there.

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dear suzanne, from your reply:

[*]what is going on nursing immigration apart from idle talk? nobody knows how long does it take us lawmakers to solve that problem, moreover i am not sure that us senators are know what does "nurse" mean. so, suzanne, i cannot realize why you decide that something will happen on nursing immigration? have you any concrete facts about that? where is the nursing lobby in congress, for example?

rusiba, i think your post is very rude, especially to suzanne. she is very up to date on what is going on and doesn't want anyone to come over here and get taken advantage of or have to get on the next plane back home.

it's not nursing immigration it's federal immigration. the lawmakers work for the citizens of the us and not to facilitate your coming over here for a job. the nursing shortage has been blown out of proportion. senators know what a nurse is--that was a stupid comment.

what, who, where is the nursing lobby? you're impatient and want your needs met but we are in the middle of a war, an economic downturn, people losing their houses and it's an election year. hiring foreign nurses isn't at the top of our government's list right now.

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Hi Ms. Suzanne, everyone I'm back. with the retrogression on going, I myself is considering to take the Global scholarship alliance offer of the Health Carousel to take the Masteral Scholarship program for 4 1/2 years with a student Visa. Is it not a good idea? I have a pending application in an agency but have not signed the contract yet. If I am to start with visa application, since the employer said I am ready for filing, thinking that they will file it immediately the Empolyment based Immigrant visa, how long would I have to wait to receive my visa? I am aware that the visa bulletin this March will be January 2005 already. Thanks

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Hi Ms. Suzanne, everyone I'm back. with the retrogression on going, I myself is considering to take the Global scholarship alliance offer of the Health Carousel to take the Masteral Scholarship program for 4 1/2 years with a student Visa. Is it not a good idea? I have a pending application in an agency but have not signed the contract yet. If I am to start with visa application, since the employer said I am ready for filing, thinking that they will file it immediately the Empolyment based Immigrant visa, how long would I have to wait to receive my visa? I am aware that the visa bulletin this March will be January 2005 already. Thanks

You will not be affected by retrogression until your I140 is approved. This is what your employer will file and depending on which service center it ends up in depends on how long it takes to get approval but looking at approx 6-15 months for that stage and then time all depends on what the visa bulletin states each month may go forward but may also go backwards very hard to predict. Plus you need to take into account the high demand from your country

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thanks for the reply, even if i'm not covered by retrogression, does it mean that before my visa can be entertained, everybody else who are waiting or covered in the retrogression will come first? thanks

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thanks for the reply, even if i'm not covered by retrogression, does it mean that before my visa can be entertained, everybody else who are waiting or covered in the retrogression will come first? thanks

Even if in the US and on a student visa you will still be affected by retrogression and have to wait for visas to be available via bulletin to receive one. Being in the US makes no difference and we do not expect to see the AOS window to open up again for several years. You can only get a visa if your EB category (nurses mainly come under EB3) is either current or your PD is within the date on bulletin. PD is the date on your I140 receipt

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Hi Ms. Suzanne, everyone I'm back. with the retrogression on going, I myself is considering to take the Global scholarship alliance offer of the Health Carousel to take the Masteral Scholarship program for 4 1/2 years with a student Visa. Is it not a good idea? I have a pending application in an agency but have not signed the contract yet. If I am to start with visa application, since the employer said I am ready for filing, thinking that they will file it immediately the Empolyment based Immigrant visa, how long would I have to wait to receive my visa? I am aware that the visa bulletin this March will be January 2005 already. Thanks

The first thing you should consider is if it will be OK with the one that petitioned you. You should first and foremost ask permission or at least inform them of your plans. Put into consideration that your petitioner may choose to not allow you depending on your individual contract with them and they would like for you to work for the supposed facility that you have been petitioned to work for as soon as it is possible. If it's fine with them the there is no problem. They may also ask for the cancellation fee/bond you have agreed with them and they may choose to not continue a petition and this is esp. easy if the I-140 hasn't even been approved yet. Again, everything depends on the employer and the individual contracts.

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thanks for the reply, even if i'm not covered by retrogression, does it mean that before my visa can be entertained, everybody else who are waiting or covered in the retrogression will come first? thanks

You are not technically in retrogression since your I-140 hasn't even been approved yet but does not necessarily mean that it doesn't cover you.

Being not technically in retrogression for not having an approved I-140 simply means that you are not even on any line yet for a GC.

Yes, everyone who are ahead of you in the line will be first to get a GC. You wouldn't want one that just filed an I-140 1-2 years after you to be getting a GC ahead of you as well.

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Responded to your pm.

GSA does not provide the F-1 visa, first of all. They use the J-1, which is an exchange visa and normally requires that you leave the US for two years. This company is owned by a businessman out of Ohio that also owns an agency there. And you will be working for his company while you are in the US.

There are no shortcuts to the US, and any of these attempted routes usually turns to bite someone on the backside.

And please be very aware that a student visa, even completing a nursing program in the US no longer guarantees that anyone will automatically be able to remain and get a green card. Things have changed significantly in the past year here.

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hi i just want to ask as well about global services alliance. since i'm also considering to avail of their service..i am fully aware of suzanne's point on it's downside..but i think i have a different case..you see, i am married to a GC holder and he is currently in sacto while me and my daughter are here in the philippines..the separation makes us insane..i already passed my nclex in cali and will have IELTS this month..my visa screen is in process..my main goal is just to stay in the US even if working fo 20hours even with limited income..what's important for me is that my family is complete..until my husband becomes citizen and we can change status..

do you think i have a point here or i am just raving..haha..need your inputs..thank you in advance!

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