Unreasonable Risks are not part of the job

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Has 10 years experience.
5 hours ago, Willcont2montr said:

I am an LPN who works from home and also does prn detox ( think homeless, hep c and hiv, not med compliant)

My mother is an NP getting her doctorate who teaches at a University.

I have three Master Level aunts 1 in ICU in GA

One Manages the nephrology department in another hospital

One last aunt who works outpatient ECT treatements in NC

I have 2 cousins in in Florida both ER nurses

COUNTLESS RN BSN friends in Boston Hospitals ( where I am ) working the front lines leaking me information not in the news.

We ALL agree that this not what ANYONE expected when they became a nurse.

MARTYRDOM was not on the admission requirements.

 My mother and I are very fortunate BUT we hear first hand the conditions people are working in. My aunts in GA both say they are not telling the reality on the news. 

Half our family shouldnt be wiped out because of a lack of ppe. I would gladly leave my house and go work where needed if guaranteed proper ppe. Like another person said, they are wear WHOLE HAZMAT SUITS SOME PLACES!

The fireman example has been used many many times. I agree. Those firemen also lifted one another up during 911 too something that I'm not sure nursing will be able to say after this.

Lastly,

This will probably be my one and only comment on here because it seems the toxic nursing culture thrives in this forum and its embarrassing.

I'm not sure if some nurses just dont have family, kids a spouse or just dont care about others but to tell nurses who are fighting the front lines to basically "quit whining" is exactly why we are in this situation.

You can say whatever you want. But my WHOLE family has agreed. If they are not peoperly protected they will have to walk away. That is a lot of knowledge leaving nursing but when you understand that they have people at home that love them theres just not choice.

THE IDEA THAT NURSES ARE SUPERHUMAN AND WEAR CAPES INSTEAD OF PPE NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED.

BULLYING NURSES TO DO DISREGARD THEIR OWN WELLBEING NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED.

Some of you "caring at all cost self sacrifing hero angel nurses" are exactly the reason people choose not to work the bedside.

Yes we are in a pandemic but cant you see people that tell you that you will be fine are never the ones standing next with no protection? They are writing you a letter from their home?

Its so funny how a career can boast care but treats its collegues with distain when they try to care for themselves. Calling nurses out of retirement is an example of that. Arent those the people we are protecting? These nurses better be doing telephone triage!

Again these forums have disgusted me with their attitudes but "I'm just an LPN" I'm sure youll say to LOL

Well said! From a fellow RPN (who is also a RN-BScN).

Specializes in Being myself. Has 15 years experience.
5 hours ago, Willcont2montr said:

I am an LPN who works from home and also does prn detox ( think homeless, hep c and hiv, not med compliant)

My mother is an NP getting her doctorate who teaches at a University.

I have three Master Level aunts 1 in ICU in GA

One Manages the nephrology department in another hospital

One last aunt who works outpatient ECT treatements in NC

I have 2 cousins in in Florida both ER nurses

COUNTLESS RN BSN friends in Boston Hospitals ( where I am ) working the front lines leaking me information not in the news.

We ALL agree that this not what ANYONE expected when they became a nurse.

MARTYRDOM was not on the admission requirements.

My mother and I are very fortunate BUT we hear first hand the conditions people are working in. My aunts in GA both say they are not telling the reality on the news.

Half our family shouldnt be wiped out because of a lack of ppe. I would gladly leave my house and go work where needed if guaranteed proper ppe. Like another person said, they are wear WHOLE HAZMAT SUITS SOME PLACES!

The fireman example has been used many many times. I agree. Those firemen also lifted one another up during 911 too something that I'm not sure nursing will be able to say after this.

Lastly,

This will probably be my one and only comment on here because it seems the toxic nursing culture thrives in this forum and its embarrassing.

I'm not sure if some nurses just dont have family, kids a spouse or just dont care about others but to tell nurses who are fighting the front lines to basically "quit whining" is exactly why we are in this situation.

You can say whatever you want. But my WHOLE family has agreed. If they are not peoperly protected they will have to walk away. That is a lot of knowledge leaving nursing but when you understand that they have people at home that love them theres just not choice.

THE IDEA THAT NURSES ARE SUPERHUMAN AND WEAR CAPES INSTEAD OF PPE NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED.

BULLYING NURSES TO DO DISREGARD THEIR OWN WELLBEING NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED.

Some of you "caring at all cost self sacrifing hero angel nurses" are exactly the reason people choose not to work the bedside.

Yes we are in a pandemic but cant you see people that tell you that you will be fine are never the ones standing next with no protection? They are writing you a letter from their home?

Its so funny how a career can boast care but treats its collegues with distain when they try to care for themselves. Calling nurses out of retirement is an example of that. Arent those the people we are protecting? These nurses better be doing telephone triage!

Again these forums have disgusted me with their attitudes but "I'm just an LPN" I'm sure youll say to LOL

I reckon because many of times, we LPN's (and other support staff) feel the squeeze that many higher level folk just now are feeling...EVERY...SINGLE...SHIFT...and healthcare folks all around are acting brand new. Just like many "middle class" individuals who are looking for the same handouts that "poor welfare people use to milk the system"...

It is OK to talk down/demean/tell on/act superior than fellow healthcare staff that work for less than, sub subordinates and treated as such, but clamoring WHAT ABOUT HAZARD PAY!! (RN's only $100/hr)...but then agree to loosen NCLEX-RN requirements to allow GRN nurses to work for $40/hr....and pay LPN $20 an hour still...We look fractured, because we are as a community. It should now be this way...

We have to come together, especially now. We are all in this together...

turtlesRcool

718 Posts

We are conserving PPE at my hospital. One of my colleagues said, nope, she was going to use what was there to feel safe as long as it lasts, and then quit if she couldn't be protected. She said she's a person, too, and her life matters, and if she has to choose between her patient and herself, she's going to choose herself. We are aware that in some places, people are using home-made cloth face masks, because something is better than nothing, but my colleague said, "I'm not walking into that room with a sock on my face." I have to agree with everything she said. However, I don't know that I'll be okay saying no, if it comes to it. No, there hasn't been a pandemic like this in 100 years, so it was definitely not something we signed up to do. But I became a nurse because I truly want to help. People are going to need care, and someone is going to need to provide it, even with suboptimal PPE. If it's my turn to help, I don't think I could bring myself to walk away.

PoodleBreath

69 Posts

Specializes in Hospice, LPN. Has 17 years experience.

I feel like Rzyzzy was making a point about the way the industry disparages healthcare workers who don't have BSNs and who don't work in hospitals. I understand the bitterness and feel it as well. At the moment all the media talks about is hospital doctors and nurses on the front lines and it's frustrating to be left out of the conversation. Especially, in my case as someone who is out in the field going into health care facilities and patient homes with no protective gear, no hospital infrastructure or support system -- for whatever good that does -- and very limited ability to screen. EOL patients tend to present with fever and SOB. How do you make screening decisions about that? No hospital is going to admit a hospice patient with Covid, and they are still going to require medical care, so it will fall on field staff to go into these situations to manage care. You can't get more front line than that. And no one is running PPE drives for us - if you listen to the news we don't even exist. At this time it seems more important than ever to embrace and support each other, let's not forget the CNAs and lab techs, X-ray techs, social workers, chaplains and therapists of all kinds who are working in the community to keep people out of hospitals in the first place. Now is the time in our history to come together and to recognize each other as a tightly connected team, it's the only way we are going to be able to go forward.

Specializes in Being myself. Has 15 years experience.
3 minutes ago, PoodleBreath said:

I feel like Caffeine was making a point about the way the industry disparages healthcare workers who don't have BSNs and who don't work in hospitals. I understand the bitterness and feel it as well. At the moment all the media talks about is hospital doctors and nurses on the front lines and it's frustrating to be left out of the conversation. Especially, in my case as someone who is out in the field going into health care facilities and patient homes with no protective gear, no hospital infrastructure or support system -- for whatever good that does -- and very limited ability to screen. EOL patients tend to present with fever and SOB. How do you make screening decisions about that? No hospital is going to admit a hospice patient with Covid, and they are still going to require medical care, so it will fall on field staff to go into these situations to manage care. You can't get more front line than that. And no one is running PPE drives for us - if you listen to the news we don't even exist. At this time it seems more important than ever to embrace and support each other, let's not forget the CNAs and lab techs, X-ray techs, social workers, chaplains and therapists of all kinds who are working in the community to keep people out of hospitals in the first place. Now is the time in our history to come together and to recognize each other as a tightly connected team, it's the only way we are going to be able to go forward.

Yell a bit louder for the folk in the back, we can not hear you through your bandana mask...=)

Has 10 years experience.
On 3/26/2020 at 11:40 AM, CaffeinePOQ4HPRN said:

I started off as a diploma RPN. Currently, I am a BScN-RN, but I still maintain and am very proud of my RPN license. This rank-ism is total ***; it's completely disgusting and unacceptable any any given time, and especially baseless during a bloody pandemic. I currently practise in Ontario, Canada. The professional body here for RPNs is called RNPAO, and they have been repeatedly sending out the call for RPN volunteers to help with COVID-19 efforts; all we're being told is that the RPNs will be deployed to bedside/frontline roles.

The professional body here for RNs is called RNAO; and they've been very clear to their RN constituents about how/where/in what capacity RNs will be used. Presently, RNs who have "answered the call" to volunteer are mostly being used for "virtual healthcare services". READ BETWEEN THOSE LINES?‍♀️?

Our regulatory college (College of Nurses of Ontario, aka CNO) is remaining silent on this matter. Surprise, surprise.?

Once again, I said this ?. Our sad profession deteriorates every passing year, and the esteem it once held just isn't there anymore. We're all catalysts to this deterioration, and low morale. All nurses will continue to be disrespected because we can't seem to respect each other, nor give each other recognition where it's due. So, why should the public respect us when we're not united? A united front would be the only way to address, and one day ameliorate the issues our profession faces.

LPN/RPN, RN, NP... we're ALL qualified nurses!

The bullcrap rankism needs to stop. We're in the middle of a freaking PANDEMIC and people are squabbling about titles?‍♀️ and taking digs at diploma nurses?! This is NOT productive, it's pathetic.... it's also a common baseline for most horizontal violence and bullying. Is this what you want our profession to look like? Is this the toxic environment you'd like to work in?

I'm both a RPN and a RN-BScN. And I'd like to mention that more than 50% of my classmates in the Practical Nursing program had baccalaureate degrees in another discipline before becoming RPNs (myself included). So, all this crap about LPNs/RPNs bing less qualified because they don't have "university preparation" is, well....FALSE! After studying to become both and RPN and RN, I can assure you we study from exactly the same textbooks, we cover the same material, we learn the same "generalist" skills. The only difference is RPNs study for 2 years, RNs traditionally used to study for 4 years (unless they're in a compressed program) and cover more depth. Does this make them better for bedside? Not necessarily. The ability to digest /process information is only as good as a person's ability to apply it to real life scenarios.

Anyone trying to diminnish the value of LPN/RPNs can take their insecurity elsewhere.

ORDC

41 Posts

No PPE, no me. Being asked to wear one mask all day is not that big deal. Before? Fool managers were all up into us to change our masks constantly between patients even though there were not coughed or contaminated on the outside at all. I always thought it was a waste of money to do so.

ReySkywalker

3 Posts

Specializes in MS, Quality, Employee Health. Has 11 years experience.

I haven't seen a lot of staff resign, but I have seen a lot suddenly on leave of absences.

Specializes in ICU,Tele,Interventional Radiology,PACU,Research. Has 16 years experience.
14 hours ago, ORDC said:

No PPE, no me. Being asked to wear one mask all day is not that big deal. Before? Fool managers were all up into us to change our masks constantly between patients even though there were not coughed or contaminated on the outside at all. I always thought it was a waste of money to do so.

They need to inflate the business expenses to pay less taxes at the end of the year to get their massive bonuses.