UCSF and SMU New grad program

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Hello New Graduates!

I currently am a new graduate myself and have applied to a handful of new grad programs the past 2-3 months before graduation. Luckily enough I have been interviewed by 2 hospitals and was recently chosen for SMU new grad residency for the 2010 cohort. But I am waiting for UCSF's interview process to begin next month but I would love input from anyone who has completed SMU or UCSF's New Graduate programs. I interned at UCSF and Kaiser and loved both experiences. Samuel Merriot is contracted with Kaiser Permanente so I am curious if anyone was offered positions before they finished the program? I heard of a few people that were offered new grad positions during the SMU program.

Thanks.

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Specializes in Trauma ICU, Peds ICU.

SMU doesn't have a new grad program.

I think you're talking about T2P, the Transition to Professional Nursing Practice program. Comparing that to UCSF's or any other hospital's new grad residency is like comparing apples to oranges. T2P is an unpaid internship and there is no guarantee that it will lead to employment. There's no agreement with the partner hospitals to give T2P students any kind of preference in hiring.

Given a choice between the two, UCSF new grad is the obvious pick given that it comes with a job and a paycheck.

The idea behind T2P is that completing it will make you more marketable to potential employers, but in this job market I'm not sure how far it will really take you. I'd think long and hard about devoting that much time to an unpaid internship that doesn't guarantee you so much as an interview. Unless you can afford to work part-time or less for the duration of the program, it doesn't seem worth it.

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...You were accepted to SMU's program as a May 2010 graduate who has only applied to a handful of positions?

This is nothing against you as a person or nurse, but that's bogus. I thought the whole point of their program was to allow older grads a chance at refreshing skills after having no luck at finding a job after dozens if not hundreds of applications?

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I have to agree with NorthBay I know lots of May 09 grads who didnt get it so doesnt make sense a May 10 grad got in

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Well, whatever the case, hope you are able to get a paid position that suits you. Good luck.

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SMU doesn't have a new grad program.

I think you're talking about T2P, the Transition to Professional Nursing Practice program. Comparing that to UCSF's or any other hospital's new grad residency is like comparing apples to oranges. T2P is an unpaid internship and there is no guarantee that it will lead to employment. There's no agreement with the partner hospitals to give T2P students any kind of preference in hiring.

Given a choice between the two, UCSF new grad is the obvious pick given that it comes with a job and a paycheck.

The idea behind T2P is that completing it will make you more marketable to potential employers, but in this job market I'm not sure how far it will really take you. I'd think long and hard about devoting that much time to an unpaid internship that doesn't guarantee you so much as an interview. Unless you can afford to work part-time or less for the duration of the program, it doesn't seem worth it.

In this market having the opportunity to get more clinical experience to place on a resume is priceless. The fifteen weeks of T2P is an interview. It allows the hospital to screen candidates in real world situations without them having to commit to you. Alot of nursing students look great on paper, but dont perform well in the clinical setting. By the end of 15 weeks you will be familiar with the policies and procedures of the hospital, and it will be apparent whether or not you will be a good fit for the organization.

The Kaiser facilities that are hosting the internships had new grad programs posted for the Spring of 2010 which they cancelled. I would guess they cancelled the program because the T2P grant money is allowing them to train new grads at no expense to them.

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Specializes in Trauma ICU, Peds ICU.
In this market having the opportunity to get more clinical experience to place on a resume is priceless. The fifteen weeks of T2P is an interview. It allows the hospital to screen candidates in real world situations without them having to commit to you. Alot of nursing students look great on paper, but dont perform well in the clinical setting. By the end of 15 weeks you will be familiar with the policies and procedures of the hospital, and it will be apparent whether or not you will be a good fit for the organization.

That's my point, this is little more than an extension the senior synthesis (preceptorship) that is already a part of almost all nursing programs. It's a big leap to call that a "new grad program."

The Kaiser facilities that are hosting the internships had new grad programs posted for the Spring of 2010 which they cancelled. I would guess they cancelled the program because the T2P grant money is allowing them to train new grads at no expense to them.

I hope your right, but I've spoken with a few of the core people who developed the program (since before SMU and Kaiser even signed on) and the impression I've gotten from them is that Kaiser cancelled their program because they decided they can't afford to hire more new grads, period. That includes the T2P people.

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We will see what happens. I am participating in the T2P program and I was placed at SFGH. I know that my placement will never lead to a full time position because SFGH is civil service and SF hasn't opened a list for nurses for quite some time. However, there is a chance for an as needed on call placement which is non-benefited.

This whole work situation is really scary right now. I graduated Summa Cum Laude, participated in over 1000 hours of community service, held a leadership position in the CNSA, and have management experience in a previous career. All of that and two dollars will get me on a bus.

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Specializes in Trauma ICU, Peds ICU.
This whole work situation is really scary right now.

Don't I know it. I just learned, thought it hasn't been announced yet, that my employer is going to cancel the next two rounds of it's new grad program... and we're one of the handful of remaining programs the bay area.

Good luck to you. I hope despite whatever concerns/doubts I've expressed about it here that you're able to leverage T2P into a job somewhere.

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Don't I know it. I just learned, thought it hasn't been announced yet, that my employer is going to cancel the next two rounds of it's new grad program... and we're one of the handful of remaining programs the bay area..

fantastic....as a new grad that is applying to any new grad program in the bay area, this is rather disheartening. i understand you not wanting to divulge more information, but it would be nice to know. New grads invest time and hope in applying to these new grad programs. If hospitals have no plans for them, or are just going to cancel them, they shouldn't post the program to begin with. How awful would it be to be selected only to have the program cancelled shortly thereafter? I know it's happened before, it would be a shame to happen again.

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Specializes in Trauma ICU, Peds ICU.
How awful would it be to be selected only to have the program cancelled shortly thereafter?

Yeah, that happened to a new grad friend of mine this past fall. They called her about four hours before her panel interview was scheduled to tell her they'd cancelled the program.

I don't think they'd posted a job announcement yet for the rounds we're canceling, so hopefully no one got led on.

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I don't think they'd posted a job announcement yet for the rounds we're canceling, so hopefully no one got led on.

good to know, thanks :)

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