Purely hypothetical... IF Hillary Clinton gets elected and IF she pushes through her socialized medicine plan then what would happen to the payscale for U.S. nurses? Would it drop $10 an hour per nurse?
I know these are big IF's and I am not here to argue if her plan could ever work but I am just trying to plan ahead in case it DOES happen.
Also I cant seem to find anything to tell me how much nurses make in the socialized medicine countries like canada or united kingdom. Does anyone know how much these nurses make on average?
ok,still wondering why you think the salary would drop should universal health care ever become a reality. remember, I am working in a god-forsaken wasteland where the government DOES control the health care, after a fashion, and we have the highest wages in the country. Just signed a new contract providing a 5 % increase for each of the next three years as well as increased shift diff and a market bonus of $750 bi annually AND 2% addition if you have greater than 20 years experience.......so how is it that government run health care decreases the wages?
The reason we get the highest wages in the country is because in order to keep nurses in the province and maintain the status of being top o' the heap they must offer high wages. So why wouldn't that work in the US?
It's hard to explain unless you've lived in the US for a long time.
We spend crazy amounts of taxpayer money on things most of the taxpayers don't want it spent on while ignoring education and healthcare almost completely.
There's a reason American cars are made in Canada instead of America. America has never been good at protecting its middle class. Be they farmers, factory workers, or IT.
The core of it is because our system allows lobbies to spend money to influence votes on key bills and policies. Many times, those lobbies work against the actual worker and for the company or corporation or industry itself.
I admit to having lived and worked in the US for periods of time....and to having been watching the crazy neighbours to the south for many years.....
So, because one group can buy votes, the concern is that should universal health care become a reality, those who buy votes and influence will continue to be those making a profit off health care and they will find another way - like decreasing costs. Since nursing costs are the bulk of any healthcare budget, the wages are likely to be slashed in order to maintain profits due to profit losses in some other aspect of health care. Is that close?
The reality as I see it. Healthcare dollars greatest expenditure is on the exacerbations of chronic illness, and the formation of those chronic illnesses due to little or no maintenance care...also end of life care, complicated by what? Those chronic illnesses!
Spread some cash to prevent illness...and we might actually end up in the green!
People don't want a government run conglomerate....our healthcare is nothing but...what difference will it make? Lose big business, invite health to the masses, spread the cost amongst all and we all make out!
Hello , the social system in works well for nurses in Canada .I am currently at the top of scale and negotiations are starting for the next round of rate increases , as of now I receive approx 39.00 /hr plus good benefits and expenses. We made 10 .00 /hr back in '78 , times have changed.
Purely hypothetical... IF Hillary Clinton gets elected and IF she pushes through her socialized medicine plan then what would happen to the payscale for U.S. nurses? Would it drop $10 an hour per nurse?
I know these are big IF's and I am not here to argue if her plan could ever work but I am just trying to plan ahead in case it DOES happen.
Also I cant seem to find anything to tell me how much nurses make in the socialized medicine countries like canada or united kingdom. Does anyone know how much these nurses make on average?
A $10 drop in wages would never fly. Because of the makeup of the average nurse (married, having children, working three days a week), it seems that there is such a turn over in the work force. On my floor, close to 75% of the nurses left or took an extended time off due to family circumstances, wanting time off etc. We cannot keep nurses when we are paying the what we are now, who would stick around for $10 less an hour?
You do realize that cops, firemen, and teachers get paid a tiny pittance of what they're worth, right? I've got members of all three professions in my family and they are pratically the lowest paid workers in the community. Their salaries certainly don't compete with that of a RN in our community and they were all required to have the same level of (if not more) education.
Not where I live...this is all public record and can be looked up. I live in a suburb of Chicago and in the HS here after 10 years teachers are making 90K or more. Check out thechampion.org and see what IL teachers are making.Thats with excellent insurance and the best pensions. We had a teacher here who was a football coach and drivers ed teacher making 146+ when he retired. The police here also do well, you must live in a rural area!
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Ziggy the amount I make in the UK is lower than I made in the US. The Bonus and housing allowance compensates me..plus I get to see Europe.
that's a fact you wish to sate - fine
I am a nurse practioner in the US which is equivalent to 6 years at the University. The UK (NMC) does not have a nurse positon equivalent.
while the NMC does not have a specific registerable section for all NPs, some Practitioner roles are registerable (specialist public health Nurse etc) and other practitioner qualificatiosn recordable , what you have to remember is that the Uk does not ring fence procedures by profession - so Registerable with the professiona lregualtor is less important when it comes ot advanced practice vs being able , if necessary to prove that you are suitably prepared for higher levle practice.
i don't know where you practice but many Nurse Practitioners in the Uk most reacent study will be at Master's level , certainly the next academic course i undertake after the one i'm currently doing will be at Master's level and i'm not an NP at present
As far as paying for nursing fees, every hospital I worked at in the US paid for education, registration fees etc.
until this year registration fees in the UK have been deemed to be the individual's responsibility - recent changes in the structure of the professional regulators and discovery of some big holes in their finances have led to substantial increases in registration fees
WDCs have, do and will pay for education , training and development for registered staff groups within the NHs, the biggest problem at present seems ot be gettign employers to release peopel with paid time off rather than just facilitating off duty to permit attendance in out duty time ...
Oh by the way, I looked into buying the house I lease, 3 tiny bedrooms no closets of course, no electrical outlets in the one bathroom of course, 2 hours north of London $650,000. Housing is outrageous.
2 hours north of London by road? or by rail?
in terms of land prices the UK is a small fraction of the size of the US yet has nearly 60 million inhabitants so land prices will be high - the south east has ridiculous house prices in general not helped by the current property 'boom' which may well go bang in a big way soon
as for 'tiny' bedrooms compared to what ?
closets - odd as even the small house i live in has built in wardrobe i nthe master bedroom, a big under stairs cupboard, an 'airing cupboard ' ( a cupboard wit h the hot water tank in in and shelves for clothes and linene)
you will not find a bathroom in a UK house with electrical outlets other than a dual insulated shaver socket - it's called the building regulations
which keep water and electricty a fair distance apart unless very very strict rules are followed - you still won't find 230 v sockets in a bathroom though ...
Now there is someone with the right idea. Universal health care. When I started as a RN in 1983 all but a few CNAs were let go. We were going to modular nursing. That really never worked out. They have filtered a few CNAs back in and hired more LPNs. Team nursing worked the best and I think they are just now realizing that. It could reduce costs to have a nice mix of staff taking care of the patients. This would also bring several different concepts of nursing care at different levels. Ultimately it is the patient care that is what is at stake in all of this. We need to lobby ourselves as medical professionals and make the lawmakers see that their expertise is not in medicine. We are more than a Bell curve on a graph in someones proposal.
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Now there is someone with the right idea. Universal health care. When I started as a RN in 1983 all but a few CNAs were let go. We were going to modular nursing. That really never worked out. They have filtered a few CNAs back in and hired more LPNs. Team nursing worked the best and I think they are just now realizing that. It could reduce costs to have a nice mix of staff taking care of the patients. This would also bring several different concepts of nursing care at different levels. Ultimately it is the patient care that is what is at stake in all of this. We need to lobby ourselves as medical professionals and make the lawmakers see that their expertise is not in medicine. We are more than a Bell curve on a graph in someones proposal.
Too true, I remember nurses being laid off in Houston in 1983. DRG's were hitting full force and of course to compensate losses hospitals let the most expensive (in their calculations) yet the most inexpendable asset go. Hospitals also decreased nursing staff by attrition. We all know how that little experiment turned out. Legislation affects us all, directly or indirectly. If quality health care (whether preventive or active treatment) is seen as a right and not a priviledge that can only lead to better working conditions and better pay for all care givers. And of course a better quality of life for all.
Since the presidential race is in full force between Clinton and Obama, does anyone have any thoughts on either of their socialized medical plans and how it might affect nursing salaries?
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It's hard to explain unless you've lived in the US for a long time.
We spend crazy amounts of taxpayer money on things most of the taxpayers don't want it spent on while ignoring education and healthcare almost completely.
There's a reason American cars are made in Canada instead of America. America has never been good at protecting its middle class. Be they farmers, factory workers, or IT.
The core of it is because our system allows lobbies to spend money to influence votes on key bills and policies. Many times, those lobbies work against the actual worker and for the company or corporation or industry itself.