To Vaccinate Or Not To Vaccinate, That Is The Question

Wuzzie · Oct 23, 2019

1 minute ago, osceteacher said:
No, its literally means nothing.
I have 3 friends who don't have a driving license who are never sick yet most of the people I know with driving licenses have been sick at some stage.
Its a completely nonsense discussion.

You said it way better than I could.

SNJ_nurse · Oct 23, 2019

How were you able to attend/finish nursing school without vaccinations? Or, do you mean you haven’t gotten them since?

Regarding the CDC—-to believe that they have the best interest of the population in mind, is naive. They love to state, “we don’t use mercury in vaccines ANYMORE....oops, sorry that we did before, but we don’t ANYMORE”....ok? Look up the history of the Lyme disease vaccine, which infected and harmed many but was pulled back a few years later. Is it insane to think they can mess more stuff up? I don’t think so...

Listen, regarding polio, and MMR, sure there’s valid uses. Which is why I’m pro vaccines. But, there’s still concerns. Measles, generally speaking, isn’t that drastic, unless immunocompromised. Polio still occurs in highly vaccinated populations (99%)...

Conveniently, you didn’t mention the flu or Heb B? Tetorifice, too, is basically pointless.

osceteacher · Oct 23, 2019

On 10/23/2019 at 9:22 AM, SNJ_nurse said:
Conveniently, you didn’t mention the flu or Heb B? Tetorifice, too, is basically pointless.

90,000 people died because of measles in 2016, but sure, generally speaking its not drastic.

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Tetorifice immunisation was first provided in the UK to the Armed Forces in 1938. From the mid-1950s it was introduced in some localities as part of the primary immunisation of infants, then nationally in 1961. The disease had almost disappeared in children under 15 years of age by the 1970s

Yeah, I see, Tetorifice shots are kinda pointless.

Polio still occurring, its almost like they should sell vaccines as not 100% proof against the disease.....

You also conflated the CDC with the FDA and made up stories about it infecting patietns, it didn't it may have caused arthritis.

A terrible post all round.

osceteacher · Oct 23, 2019

If anyone is interested in the Lyme disease vaccine story its a very interesting read to highlight the hysteria around the anti-vax movement and how a drug shown to be safe or mostly safe was removed from use because of misinformation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/

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In the aftermath of the LYMErix™ market withdrawal, we must look for lessons learned. The vaccine developers believed they developed a safe and effective vaccine to prevent the most common tick-borne infection in the United States. Even available post-market surveillance failed to demonstrate convincing harm from the LYMErix™ vaccine. After review of available data, the FDA found insufficient evidence to support a causal relationship between the reported adverse effects and the vaccine and continued to permit use of the vaccine. However, the public's perception of potential risks, heavily influenced by the negative press coverage and limited awareness of the benefits of the vaccine, decreased consumer demand for the vaccine.

So, thanks SNJ, thats another reason to support vaccines and despise anti-vaccine hysteria.

SNJ_nurse · Oct 23, 2019

Tetorifice disappearing has as much to do with urbanization as it does with vaccinations.

how many people die of obesity? Alcoholism? Have we outlawed alcohol? Or forced healthy living?

Causing arthirities in otherwise healthy individuals IS infection, especially since it is a main symptom OF Lyme disease.

the fact that we are even having this conversation proves that more research and debate SHOULD be taking place.

osceteacher · Oct 23, 2019

1 minute ago, SNJ_nurse said:
Tetorifice disappearing has as much to do with urbanization as it does with vaccinations.
how many people die of obesity? Alcoholism? Have we outlawed alcohol? Or forced healthy living?
Causing arthirities in otherwise healthy individuals IS infection, especially since it is a main symptom OF Lyme disease.
the fact that we are even having this conversation proves that more research and debate SHOULD be taking place.

No, I sometimes have debates with people who think the earth is flat, some people just have bad ideas and need to be told that.

**LibraSunCNM, BSN, MSN, CNM** · Oct 23, 2019

On 10/23/2019 at 9:43 AM, SNJ_nurse said:
Tetorifice disappearing has as much to do with urbanization as it does with vaccinations.
how many people die of obesity? Alcoholism? Have we outlawed alcohol? Or forced healthy living?
Causing arthirities in otherwise healthy individuals IS infection, especially since it is a main symptom OF Lyme disease.
the fact that we are even having this conversation proves that more research and debate SHOULD be taking place.

Wow, you're really on an illogical roll this morning! I have no idea what your assertion about tetorifice and urbanization means, so I can't really comment. There are fewer rusty nails in cities???

If there was an easy cure for obesity or alcoholism like a vaccine, there would be a run on it in an instant. Vaccines are also not legally forced on people, so I'm not sure where you're going with your comparisons there.

If you want someone to be able to prove that there has never been a single problem/adverse reaction with vaccines, then you'll be waiting a long time. No one disputes that. What can't be disputed is that the benefits to vaccines FAR outweigh the risks and they are the single greatest contribution to public health in the last century.

SNJ_nurse · Oct 23, 2019

If nothing else, the fact that they removed it over “public outrage” shows how terrible they are...

Again, seems like you aren’t open to any discussion and are willing to support preconceived notions blindly. While I disagree, I can’t force you to change your mind. It’s just scary that healthcare professionals aren’t willing to review information and think about it critically.

Again, I am PRO vaccine, but I think their administration needs to be reviewed.

SNJ_nurse · Oct 23, 2019

Your comment about my rusty nails and lack of knowledge about tetorifice 100% discredits anything you said.

also, immunizations ARE mandatory and legally enforced.

Im sorry but your comment is completely wrong and blind ignorance

Wuzzie · Oct 23, 2019

28 minutes ago, SNJ_nurse said:
Tetorifice, too, is basically pointless.

Tetorifice is a terrible disease and it's present in both rural and urban environments. The reason you see it as pointless is because so few people actually get it anymore BECAUSE we have a vaccine for it. You know who gets it? Unvaccinated Amish children. Jeesh.

osceteacher · Oct 23, 2019

On 10/23/2019 at 9:51 AM, SNJ_nurse said:
If nothing else, the fact that they removed it over “public outrage” shows how terrible they are...

It wasn't profitable, if they didn't make money why are they going to sell it?

**LibraSunCNM, BSN, MSN, CNM** · Oct 23, 2019

23 minutes ago, SNJ_nurse said:
Your comment about my rusty nails and lack of knowledge about tetorifice 100% discredits anything you said.
also, immunizations ARE mandatory and legally enforced.
Im sorry but your comment is completely wrong and blind ignorance

I'm being facetious because your comment made no sense. Please expand on how urbanization has eliminated tetorifice.

You're quite wrong---immunizations are not mandatory. You may have to suffer severe consequences if you choose not to vaccinate, such as your children being unable to attend public school or lack of access to jobs in health care, but no one is thrown in jail for not vaccinating.