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I was working in the pediatric ER the other night, and by the middle of the shift, I felt like jumping off the Verazzano Bridge. We had about 50 people waiting to be seen in the waiting room, with the average wait time about 6-8 hours. I am tempted to print this out and post it by the area where you sign in.
Feel free to add to this list!!
1) If your child has a fever, TREAT IT. Please dont let your baby have a 106 fever all day and not give them motrin or tylenol because "you want us to see that the child has a temp" or "my child doesnt like the taste of medicine". I doubt you or your child will like going into febrile seizures either. It wasnt the best idea for you to let your child have a fever for 3 WEEKS and then come in and expect to be seen RIGHT NOW.
2)If your child has a fever, dont keep them bundled up in a snow suit, 3 sweaters, wrapped in 2 blankets. I know the baby feels chilly, but they dont need to accumulate any more heat.
3) I know you know how much your baby weighs approximately, but we DO need to weigh the child again, and yes, we also need to weigh them without all the clothes/shoes on. Pediatric medications are based soley on weight, and we need an exact weight in kilograms order to not over/underdose them.
4) The order of being seen is based on patient acuity, not time of arrival. The child that checked in 2 minutes ago that can hardly breathe IS going to be seen before your child with the flu. Yes, we know your child is sick and that you have been waiting here for 6 hours, but the ER is not first come first serve. We need to see the sickest (and youngest in some cases first) The baby who is 6 weeks old who is sick cant wait, but the 2 year old probably can. We are trying our best to get you in and out as fast as we can.
5) Yes I know your pediatrician called ahead and they sent you here, but so did everyone elses. It seems that pediatricians these days are sending people to the ER for bloodwork/x-rays, ect that could wait to be done in SOME cases until you can get to the lab/radiology center the next day. If waiting to the next day is an option, do it. Chances are, you will be in the waiting room until the next day anyway before you are seen.
6) If your child has an earache or some other minor ailment, please bring them/call the pediatric office before you head to the ER. I promise you, if you bring your child to the ER for an ear infection or strep throat (unless instructed by your doctor or the child has an extensive medical history), you WILL be there all night waiting.
7) Yes, we do need to do a rectal temperature. I know your child doesnt like it, but we need the most accurate temp when the child has a fever in order to treat it.
8) If your pediatrician is sending you over, please ask for written instructions/orders. Parents tend to overdramatize the childs condition, and when I read the report/orders from the doctor they are usually much different from what the parent says. The parents will tell me that the child is in "severe respiratory distress" and the report says mild/moderate, and the child is sitting up, awake with an oxygen saturation of 100%. Besides, 9 times out of 10, the doctor will have given the child medication in the office and we need to know exactly what was given, how much and what time. Telling me that the child got "two breathing treatments and a steriod" doesnt help.
9) I know waiting in the waiting room is equal to a stay in hell, but I dont advise you to be going in and out. If they call you while you are out, they are going to think you left, and you probably wont be called again. If you really need to go outside to make a phone call ect, let the clerk know you will be right back.
10) I know you and your child dont like having an IV started or having blood drawn. Sometimes we need to do this. Dont start crying or freak out while we are doing this. Your reaction has a huge impact on how the child reacts. If you act like we are stabbing you in the neck, the child is not going to be calm either. Once the IV is in, please dont touch it. I know it sometimes hurts, but if you fiddle with it and it falls out of place than we need to do it all over again. If it looks "funny" or is causing pain, call the nurse/doctor and we will take a look at it and see if its OK.
11) If you gave your child any medications before you came in, please write down/remember what time you gave it, how much and what you gave them.
12) We know you have been waiting a long time, but we honestly cannot tell you when you will be seen. It could be 10 minutes, it could be 10 hours. Coming to the desk every 5 minutes asking, trying to choke the clerk, or trying to break the door down (this actually happened) is not going to get you seen any faster. In fact, it may buy you a visit from the police and/or child protective services.
Many of you being experienced nurses and all, may not agree with what I have to say but here goes. :chair:
I've read how many pts actually bring in whatever "proof" they have of what brought them into the ER on a monday @ 2am. I understand why, to a certain degree and I feel it's because of exactly that. They feel they need proof. Maybe because the've been given the old "Suuuuure it happened"
Although I understand that a mother should try Tylenol at home before dragging her kid in, I guesss she wants the staff to not look at her like she was imagining things. A few times during my pregnancy, I had bleeding that would be heavy at home, then, according to Murphy's law, it would stop when I got to the ER. Well I brought EVERYTHING with me the next time I went so they knew I wasn't overeacting. Yuck but it got me the extra looksy.
I ended up miscarrying dispite all the reassurance I received
Although there comes a point of being ridiculous.......
Niiiiice BM Mr Smith!!!!!! gag gag choke
By the way, a traveling medicine cabinet is an excellent idea. I did that myself for years. Tylenol, Motrin, Benadryl, Dimetapp, cough medication, a thermometer, first aid stuff, etc. Better safe than sorry!
Not to hijack the thread, but what would you experienced ER nurses have in YOUR kit? My kit is in a snap top box with a handle under the bathroom counter. We have- bandaids in numerous shapes/sizes, rolled gauze, 3x3 and 4x4 guaze squares, tape (cloth/paper) scissors, benadryl, H2O2, bactcin (antiseptic) tylenol (adult type because no kids) Ace bandage, self stick bandaging, and glucose tabs.
laura
Thermometer, scissors, dressings & bandages, steri strips, cravats (slings, figure 8's), ace wrap, sam splint, tongue depressors (finger splints), NS IV bag (eye irrigation), gloves, glucose, betadine & alcohol wipes, tweezers, tylenol, aspirin, motrin, tums, benadryl, epi pen, emergency blanket, small writing pad & pencil.
I've been told not to treat a fever for my children (ages 12, 10, 8 1/2) until it reaches 102F orally. Doc explained this gives the body time to fight the viral infection and the body to reset the internal temperature. Of course bacterial infections are another thing. Another rant regarding ER...parents who bring their kid in with a diaper rash, ear infection, high fever when they could have brought the child to the docs office.
I've been an ER nurse for the past 18 years, worked everything from Inner city Trauma centers to dinky little country ER's. It's a fact of life that your going to get the pedi parade everynight. If you dwell on this it will drive you nuts.
What it all boils down to is parents that love their babies and are concerned enough to seek help. I've seen the children who didn't get this love and concern, brought in limp and severly dehydrated after days and days of vomiting and fever. Or pulled out dead from an apartment after the crack addicted mother had left them alone to go out for an evening of partying. A bit of compassion to these well meaning parents can go a long way.
When I am working triage and a parent comes in with a febrile child who hasnt dosed with tylenol i ask them why. I explain the rationale for giving tylenol. I also re-assure them that we do believe them when they say their child had a fever of 105. I assure them that I will convey the mothers findings in the notes. Next time she comes in to the ER hopefully she will trust the system and dose the child. If she doesn't dose them, I'll remind again. I won't be judgemental, I'll do my job.
Yes the peds Dr's should have a phone access to talk with these parents. They shouldnt just be sent of to the ER. This overburdens a system that is already hemorhaging out of control.
A lot of the fault goes to the legal system. If a child has a bad outcome because of a delay in treatment because a peds dr said a child could wait till the next day to be treated he runs a risk of being sued. They do the CYA routine and say "go to the ER"
What amazes me are the Dr's in the ER or the MD offices that rx'd antibiotics for every little ailment whether it was needed or not. "Little Johnnie has a cold, give him a script so he'll be okey by the time the family goes on vacation, etc"
Now there are all of the super infections to deal with. Aniti bioltics wont touch em. You want to see some frantic parents? Tell them the reasons why their MD will no longer give an antibiotic for little Suzies ear infection!!!
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When bringing your sick child to the ER, please bring the child's siblings, their grandmother, their aunts, and your best friends! There are ALWAYS plenty of seats in the ER waiting room, and the other people waiting will be delighted by the antics of your bored, cranky children! Don't even think of asking your entourage to watch the kids-- they're on the scene to tend to YOU, not to tarnish the moment by doing anything the slightest bit helpful!
It's also a plus if you can drag the whole crew to the hospital before anyone has eaten dinner-- that way everyone in the waiting room can be treated to the whines of your older children begging for sodas and snacks! Whatever you do, do NOT bring snacks with you-- low blood sugar makes children very creative and makes for a better show!
(Every time I've been in my local ER, this is exactly what I see!)
I am more thankful to my own ped and the nurse now. They would never tell me to take my kids to the ER if it can be treated at home. Alot of the time at night or the weekend the office triage nurse or the dr on call for the office will phone in a script if needed, except for antibiotics. We are in San Diego for about six weeks and I had to take the baby to the ER on Sunday. Wonderful way to spend the day. All for a script for some cream for his bottom that had a rash that was bleeding. If I was at home (in phoenix) the nurse said she could have called it in. But dr doesn't have script privelages here. The nurses at the Children's Hospital in San Diego are great! :balloons: The nurse gave me a sheet with the urgent care on it (our insurance didn't have the info. GRR). I hate the fact they couldn't have given it to me at the front triage area because it might have discouraged us from treatment or some crap. I wish they could give patients the info if it is more appropriate to go to an urgent care. Less wait, cheaper copay for me. I would have went in a heartbeat. At home the office is also open in the mornings on Saturday and Sunday for urgent/sick visits. And they have always told me to treat a fever. And I always assumed the nurse/dr at the ER (like when my youngest had pneumonia) would believe me if I said my baby had a fever but tylenol/motrin brought it down. Besides, ER visits aren't quick and your child's fever will probably rise while you are there. And since the nurses/drs at the ER (ours at least) don't like you medicating once you are there, you will have to check with the nurse, who will check the temp before okaying or giving tylenol and viola -- the can see your child has a fever.
... The nurse gave me a sheet with the urgent care on it (our insurance didn't have the info. GRR). I hate the fact they couldn't have given it to me at the front triage area because it might have discouraged us from treatment or some crap. I wish they could give patients the info if it is more appropriate to go to an urgent care. Less wait, cheaper copay for me. I would have went in a heartbeat...
They can only give the urgent care info AFTER the visit...(Thanks to all of the lawyers)...It's called a COBRA/EMTALA violation to discourage an ER visit before being evaluated by a physician...Unfortunately, it's a federal law.
Let's say the triage nurse told you that an urgent care would be more appropriate, you drove there, and your kiddo died (God forbid) on the way there. She loses a job/license, and the hospital gets fined...
Memo to all: Seek out urgent cares when out of town (for non-ER problems)...And DO NOT EVER GO TO AN URGENT CARE W/ CHEST PAIN!!!!!!!
They don't have cath labs, TPA, etc. And do NOT drive 30 miles to go to an urgent care when you have chest pain (and just had a CABG last month)
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canoehead, BSN, RN
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I don't think anyone has said not to bring kids in for a fever that worries the parents; just try Tylenol first is all we ask. (and maybe give it again if it works... please?)